July 6, 2011 at 9:13 am
Currently I am stuck with a job I don't like, I don't think my boss is qualified for his position, I think the team is dyfunctional.
The job is boring, most of time I am surfing the internet.
I get an offer from a small company that looks liked a challenge job and the people seem nice to work with.
However since it is a start up company, they can offfer me $12,000 less than my current salary.
Would you change to a more challenging job or stuck with a boring job but with more money?
July 6, 2011 at 11:59 am
I would not change for less money.
If you are merely surfing the internet most of the day, do not give that up for less money. 😛
But in your situation I would keep your resume out there and keep looking for a new job that pays the same or more.
$12,000 per year is a significant amount of money.
Is the startup offering stock options to justify the risk?
July 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Job satisfaction to me is very important. It affects my whole life. When I took my current job I had 2 offers on the table, one for $7k more a year than the other. I took the lower salary because I knew through the interview process what the job duties would be on both and realized I'd enjoy the one with lower pay better. There were a few other reasons but job satisfaction was one of the primary factors.
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July 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I think it depends on current pay rate and perceived happiness after the move. After weighing the pros and cons from both jobs, I would consider taking less money.
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July 6, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Can the startup offer stock options or a performance bonus? How badly would $12K impact your lifestyle and household budget? Or can you wait longer at your job now and try to find a better offer elsewhere? Would the new job help your career or is is just to escape your current position?
Good luck!
July 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm
The startup cannot offer me stock option at this point.
I want to change job just becasue I am dragging myself to work everyday.
The decrease in salary will not impact my current living a lot.
July 6, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Dont let the fact that your current job is boring overrule any other criteria you would otherwise use when evaluating a new opprtunity:
Is the new job closer to your home?
Any chance of working remote a day or two per week/month?
What is your backup strategy if the job turns out to be not much better? How long can you afford being unemployed?
Do you have to leave now or can you keep looking for a better alternative?
Any chance to get promoted or at least a rise in the new job?
Are the work hours expected to be the same/more/less? If more: how will that influence your "social environment" (family, friends)?
Leaving just for the sake of leaving might be a bad advice...
July 6, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Loner (7/6/2011)
The startup cannot offer me stock option at this point.I want to change job just becasue I am dragging myself to work everyday.
The decrease in salary will not impact my current living a lot.
Right now you are likely so bored that you don't think the $12,000 difference in salary will matter. You just want out of your current job.
But I think once you start the lower paying job, and your paychecks are actually smaller, then you will wish you still had that other job.
If you are really eager to get out of the current job, I would keep looking.
Finding something that pays the same should be relatively easy.
You might even get a raise if you try.
July 6, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I have learned a very simple lesson along the way...
... anytime I dread going to a specific job (not work in general, that's an unavoidable annoyance) consistently, I look to change my location.
However, money talks. You're surfing the web all day? Start a blog. You're bored at work? Grab a DEV server and start figuring out what happens if you hex-hack an mdf or ldf file. Learn how to recover. You're into optimization? Browse here, see if you can beat the experts at their own game. I've learned a lot playing that one against the likes of Gail, Paul, and Jeff (just don't take it personally when you lose 😉 ). Crack open an Itzik Ben-Gan book at your desk. I assure you, you won't be bored for long if you start following along with the code samples.
Free time, that you're being PAID for, is nothing to snuff at. Sure, browse an hour, but you have a built-in, ready-made, good-to-go way of educating yourself on their dime, which is relevant to the position and what you want to do as a career. Sure, you have to do it yourself, but I'd harm small cute fuzzy things for a day or two a week to devote to that kind of stuff while I'm being paid to do it.
And in the meantime? Wait. Keep looking.
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July 6, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Craig Farrell (7/6/2011)
Free time, that you're being PAID for, is nothing to snuff at. Sure, browse an hour, but you have a built-in, ready-made, good-to-go way of educating yourself on their dime, which is relevant to the position and what you want to do as a career. Sure, you have to do it yourself, but I'd harm small cute fuzzy things for a day or two a week to devote to that kind of stuff while I'm being paid to do it.And in the meantime? Wait. Keep looking.
I agree with Craig 100%. Stay in your current job. If you have that much free time, upgrade your certifications.
Use the dev servers (or a virtual server) as your study lab. If you already have MCTS and MCITP in SQL Server, then get certified on business intelligence or go for your MCM.
In the meantime, update your resume on the job websites and wait for a better offer.
July 7, 2011 at 7:06 am
Craig Farrell (7/6/2011)
I have learned a very simple lesson along the way...... anytime I dread going to a specific job (not work in general, that's an unavoidable annoyance) consistently, I look to change my location.
However, money talks. You're surfing the web all day? Start a blog. You're bored at work? Grab a DEV server and start figuring out what happens if you hex-hack an mdf or ldf file. Learn how to recover. You're into optimization? Browse here, see if you can beat the experts at their own game. I've learned a lot playing that one against the likes of Gail, Paul, and Jeff (just don't take it personally when you lose 😉 ). Crack open an Itzik Ben-Gan book at your desk. I assure you, you won't be bored for long if you start following along with the code samples.
Free time, that you're being PAID for, is nothing to snuff at. Sure, browse an hour, but you have a built-in, ready-made, good-to-go way of educating yourself on their dime, which is relevant to the position and what you want to do as a career. Sure, you have to do it yourself, but I'd harm small cute fuzzy things for a day or two a week to devote to that kind of stuff while I'm being paid to do it.
And in the meantime? Wait. Keep looking.
Loner, I think this almost absolutely spot on especially when you combine it with what Lutz suggested.
I say "almost" because I wouldn't start a blog or even go near one if you're not happy with your job. You'll just waste a bunch of time creating what amonts to nothing more than an electronic diary where you do nothing but bitch about your situation. That'll drag you down in the dumps even further than you think you are, now.
Do something positive to better yourself with all that free, paid time. Don't let the bastards grind you down. 🙂
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July 7, 2011 at 10:36 am
Craig Farrell (7/6/2011)
I have learned a very simple lesson along the way...... anytime I dread going to a specific job (not work in general, that's an unavoidable annoyance) consistently, I look to change my location.
However, money talks. You're surfing the web all day? Start a blog. You're bored at work? Grab a DEV server and start figuring out what happens if you hex-hack an mdf or ldf file. Learn how to recover. You're into optimization? Browse here, see if you can beat the experts at their own game. I've learned a lot playing that one against the likes of Gail, Paul, and Jeff (just don't take it personally when you lose 😉 ). Crack open an Itzik Ben-Gan book at your desk. I assure you, you won't be bored for long if you start following along with the code samples.
Free time, that you're being PAID for, is nothing to snuff at. Sure, browse an hour, but you have a built-in, ready-made, good-to-go way of educating yourself on their dime, which is relevant to the position and what you want to do as a career. Sure, you have to do it yourself, but I'd harm small cute fuzzy things for a day or two a week to devote to that kind of stuff while I'm being paid to do it.
And in the meantime? Wait. Keep looking.
Good suggestions.
Add to it - continue to frequent SSC and try to help and solve the problems here.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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July 9, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Just tell a starup-if they can work out on stock option for you, I probably would go. Just remember that you can realized it at liquadation event , which could be years from now. And if you quit, you will loose it.
July 9, 2011 at 11:09 pm
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It depends on indivisual perception. In my opinion, i would not change my current job in that case.
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July 11, 2011 at 6:48 am
Loner,
The only reason I changed jobs intentionally in my career was for heath reasons, both mental and physical. In that particular case, it was easy to take the pay cut considering the alternatives. I admit that I did not absorb a $12K cut that you are contemplating, and for me that helped a bit.
I've also researched your posts; you appear to have been unhappy in your current position for quite some time, as least judging by some of your posts. Yet you've perservered, which is great. It could have been by necessity (the current economy) or because you have the will to survive (more likely, imho). Given all that, I would recommend the advice of the other posters; use the time to train your self if you can, or even see if you can reinvent yourself in your chosen field. I agree, it is easier said than done (I can't do it all the time, either). But if your current position affects your health and well being (or that of your family), it could be best to take a leap of faith.
Sorry that I can recommend no good answers, just a lot more thought.
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