May 26, 2011 at 11:34 am
Somehow I put Paul, Kalen, and such at well ABOVE Senior, level 4, 5, 10?
CEWII
May 26, 2011 at 11:37 am
Elliott Whitlow (5/26/2011)
Somehow I put Paul, Kalen, and such at well ABOVE Senior, level 4, 5, 10?CEWII
Agreed but if the "HR community" stops at level 3 then only the best of the best need to be there. Which I'm not sure I qualify for VLDB and huge environements.
But I do for BI, 24 / 7, automated jobs and maintenances. TUNING might be closing on level 4.
May 26, 2011 at 11:46 am
I'm thinking that at their level, you aren't really dealing with HR anymore, you are writing books and contracting..
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May 26, 2011 at 11:48 am
Elliott Whitlow (5/26/2011)
I'm thinking that at their level, you aren't really dealing with HR anymore, you are writing books and contracting..CEWII
Well I'm already contracting so I guess I don't have to care anymore :-D.
May 26, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Elliott Whitlow (5/26/2011)
Somehow I put Paul, Kalen, and such at well ABOVE Senior, level 4, 5, 10?CEWII
It depends, as always. The 'public' personas at that level are writing books and the like. A number of III's I do know, and can run rings 'round me, have no interest in ever dealing with the public, or trying to present their understanding to new people.
There are definate III's out there that may not have ended up writing on a book on a topic. Also, ignoring the Itzik Ben-Gan's and the Buck Woody's, the highest most people will ever get is a II with a III in specific areas.
My personal opinion, anyway. I know many Senior DBAs who are technical IIs, though. A III is a powerhouse, and not really needed for most environments.
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June 1, 2011 at 2:04 pm
But what the difference it makes for you how you call yourself Junoir, Senior.
June 1, 2011 at 2:12 pm
SQL Guy 1 (6/1/2011)
But what the difference it makes for you how you call yourself Junoir, Senior.
For me... nothing. I've always been the only DBA so I just have to get it done!
June 1, 2011 at 2:15 pm
SQL Guy 1 (6/1/2011)
But what the difference it makes for you how you call yourself Junoir, Senior.
If you don't mind a little self-promotion...
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Career/71608/
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June 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm
itpcpro (5/26/2011)
I have been a SQL DBA for 3 yours now.. I do not have a degree or any certifications (But I am working on getting both).. But I am doing well supporting two production system 24/7 (1 TB ea.) and a bunch of smaller databases...But where do I fall in the Jr. DBA / DBA / Sr. DBA scale?
I am the only DBA for the Company so I have to correct what ever breaks. I install, backup, restore, create SSIS packages, troubleshoot, run performance monitors, run sql traces and what ever else happens to come along...
I have 11 years experience in the IT field starting out in Helpdesk and working my way up to SQL DBA... I have a little programming experience as well...
I would call that a mid level DBA. Certainly more than a Jr. DBA.
If you are able to handle the issues around a 1 TB database that is 24/7, then you likely have all of the core skills that a company would expect of a DBA. Let's face it, this stuff ain't that tough to master.
June 1, 2011 at 2:18 pm
james.morrison 19355 (6/1/2011)
itpcpro (5/26/2011)
I have been a SQL DBA for 3 yours now.. I do not have a degree or any certifications (But I am working on getting both).. But I am doing well supporting two production system 24/7 (1 TB ea.) and a bunch of smaller databases...But where do I fall in the Jr. DBA / DBA / Sr. DBA scale?
I would call that a mid level DBA. Certainly more than a Jr. DBA.
If you are able to handle the issues around a 1 TB database that is 24/7, then you likely have all of the core skills that a company would expect of a DBA. Let's face it, this stuff ain't that tough to master.
:rolleyes: Interesting choice of words. Master, or have enough to get by with?
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June 1, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Craig Farrell (6/1/2011)
:rolleyes: Interesting choice of words. Master, or have enough to get by with?
If you are referring to the MCM in terms of "Master" then that is not what I was referring to. Someone with 3 yrs experiencee has "mastered" the basics to perform as a DBA.
To be a solid DBA for a company doesn't take 10 years of experience. I believe that most DBAs, that are working full time in the role, know the job within 3-5 years.
There is not that much difference between a DBA with 5 yrs experience vs 10 yrs experience.
There is a huge difference between 1 year and 5 years of experience.
And companies tend to pay based on that. Junior DBAs make very little.
Once you have about 5 years experience then you are approaching the upper levels of what DBAs make. Job hopping is not going to get your salary bumped up significantly at that point.
June 1, 2011 at 2:43 pm
james.morrison 19355 (6/1/2011)
Craig Farrell (6/1/2011)
:rolleyes: Interesting choice of words. Master, or have enough to get by with?If you are referring to the MCM in terms of "Master" then that is not what I was referring to. Someone with 3 yrs experiencee has "mastered" the basics to perform as a DBA.
To be a solid DBA for a company doesn't take 10 years of experience. I believe that most DBAs, that are working full time in the role, know the job within 3-5 years.
There is not that much difference between a DBA with 5 yrs experience vs 10 yrs experience.
There is a huge difference between 1 year and 5 years of experience.
And companies tend to pay based on that. Junior DBAs make very little.
Once you have about 5 years experience then you are approaching the upper levels of what DBAs make. Job hopping is not going to get your salary bumped up significantly at that point.
I will generally agree with that, but for a few points. 5 vs. 10 years can make a huge difference, but not necessarily in the core skillset. It'll have more to do with what other areas they've expanded their knowledge into. Job hopping is usually done to increase your skillset (or like me, because they're not long term... 😉 ) in areas that your current position doesn't do or won't let you do, so that eventually you can make more with those other skills.
However, you're right, after 2-3 years I expect pretty much every DBA out there to have a reasonable competence level in their specific areas, and at least know enough to know when they don't know.
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June 9, 2011 at 7:38 am
This has been an interesting conversation so far, and it has clued me in somewhat to where I'm rated at. I am curious how close I've gotten it, and would love the outside input. I've been in data analysis for 3 years, and was a developer and a database admin (my role in the company) for around 4 years before that. I have only recently begun working with SSIS, and have only 2 very basic packages developed. I have not done an install of SQL Server yet. I have restored databases a few times (just the general restore...can't really say the db was corrupted before I restored because I don't fully remember all of the details). I know enough not to trash a system, and I have been left alone with systems almost from day 1 (I was really only watched for about the first 6 months).
Based on what all I read, it sounds like I would be rated an experienced Jr. DBA. Does that sound right? If so, what recommendations do you have to move to a full DBA level? Will working with the full version of SQL Server at work, and SQL Server Express at the house give me enough experience to make the move, or do I need to spend the unknown amount for a full SQL Server system at the house too? Thoughts?
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June 9, 2011 at 8:10 am
Four years? And you only restored a few databases? That doesn't sound like a DBA role to me.
Just about everywhere I have worked involved doing a few times per week by refreshing Dev or QA.
Havn't done an install of SQL Server? You need to pop that cherry today. Go find a dev box and do it.
Let's establish a new rule of thumb. If you have to ask, you are a Jr. DBA.
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June 9, 2011 at 8:17 am
jarid.lawson (6/9/2011)do I need to spend the unknown amount for a full SQL Server system at the house too? Thoughts?
Spend $40 (approx) on the dev edition of SQL 2008 it is the equiv. of SQL enterprise and is perfect for learning
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