VM... Setting up new "box"

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 1

Steve Jones - Editor (1/20/2009)
VMs don't kill servers, server administrators kill servers.
Don't blame VMS, it's an ignorance thing, same as any other new tool we get. Usually we give them to the "Simple Jacks" of the world, regardless of whether they understand what they're getting or not.

Oh, I agree... it's not the fault of VM... it's the people who aren't thinking on my end. It just turns out that most of the people who aren't thinking are also involved in VM... it made it too easy for them to take control without taking the responsibility of control.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Michael Earl-395764 SSC Guru Points: 53873 More actions · Answer 2

I think you are seriously underestimating the number of people that are not thinking.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 3

Michael Earl (1/21/2009)
I think you are seriously underestimating the number of people that are not thinking.

Not sure what you mean by that, Michael...

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

CrazyMan SSChampion Points: 12560 More actions · Answer 4

Hi Guys

2 weeks, much extreme, we have got VM on production machine, i have a template that has got Win2003 and SQL 2005, i can deploy a VM from that template, it takes me 10-15 minutes minutes, this is because my ESX are over loaded and i have got a pre historic SAN :D, after that i need to change IP assign to N/W and all other small things, usually i can set up a machine and ready for production within an hour :), as suggested timings dosen't include internal Politics 😎

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736280 More actions · Answer 5

Steve Jones - SSC Editor

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January 21, 2009 at 7:54 am

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I think Michael means most people don't think.

Michael Earl-395764 SSC Guru Points: 53873 More actions · Answer 6

Steve Jones - Editor (1/21/2009)
I think Michael means most people don't think.

That sums up my opinion.

At the very least, I think it is pretty clear that there are many dumb people that have nothing to do with VM.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 7

Ok... still not sure what you mean, so I'll come right out and ask... Do you think I'm part of the problem on this one?

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Michael Earl-395764 SSC Guru Points: 53873 More actions · Answer 8

Jeff Moden (1/21/2009)
Ok... still not sure what you mean, so I'll come right out and ask... Do you think I'm part of the problem on this one?

No, sorry. You are reading too much into my flip comment. You clearly use your head. I was just noting that (at least in most of the places I have worked) it's not just VM attracting slow people.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 9

Michael Earl (1/22/2009)
Jeff Moden (1/21/2009)
Ok... still not sure what you mean, so I'll come right out and ask... Do you think I'm part of the problem on this one?
No, sorry. You are reading too much into my flip comment. You clearly use your head. I was just noting that (at least in most of the places I have worked) it's not just VM attracting slow people.

Sorry, Michael... I should have known better especially coming from someone like yourself. There's been a rash of sarcastic remarks about certain things here and a couple of work places I'm involved in and, now, when someone good says something right, I've found myself questioning it. Man, I gotta get over that!

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Michael Earl-395764 SSC Guru Points: 53873 More actions · Answer 10

especially coming from someone like yourself

That the heck is that supposed to mean?

Once again - just kidding.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736280 More actions · Answer 11

Jeff, I'm sure you're part of the problem 😛

but hopefully more part of the solution!

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 12

Michael Earl (1/22/2009)
especially coming from someone like yourself
That the heck is that supposed to mean?
Once again - just kidding.

See? That's what I mean... 😛 I'm just about that gun-shy for the last couple of days. :hehe:

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004370 More actions · Answer 13

Steve Jones - Editor (1/22/2009)
Jeff, I'm sure you're part of the problem 😛

Exactly... if it weren't for me asking for stuff they said they could provide, they wouldn't have a problem at all. 😛

I did find out who like pork chops, though. 😀

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Bruce W Cassidy SSChampion Points: 12668 More actions · Answer 14

[font="Verdana"]Setting up a VM (the first time) should take a little more time than setting up a physical server from the point of view that you have to set up the physical server, and then create the physical environment (partition farm, etc) for the virtual environments. Thereafter, a new VM should be quick, particularly if you can clone an existing VM.

I would expect 2 days should be adequate to get everything set up the first time, and 2 hours for subsequent VMs. On the other hand, if your organisation is anything like mine, doing the necessary paperwork and getting everything cleared and so on could well take 2 months...

It's the people side that's slow.

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