Use Red-Gate''s backup... and Go to Jail???

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Use Red-Gate''s backup... and Go to Jail???

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Rudyx - the Doctor SSC-Forever Points: 43695 More actions · Answer 1

I have not read the blog post yet but I have completed the present thread. I'm a bit steamed at the foo-foo-rah caused by this alleged incident.

Now moving on to those who are vendors posting to discussions. You are not special. You are just one or a few of 400,000+ community. I read and sometimes participate in your discussion(s) just as others in the community. Each and every one of the community can have item(s) removed if the posted material is questionable or objectionable. Moderator(s), have a responsibility over things of this nature <PERIOD> Now do I hear a vast outcry about censorship from the 400,000+ members in this community over this ? NO ! Remember, again, it is a discussion forum. There are moderators. Content can be removed at will by those who allow its use <PERIOD> So, you vendors, what entitles you to special treatment ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !

Now let us get on to the more sublime aspect - your 'free' publicity in forums such as this. Incidents like this only servers to galvanize my resolve to not use any of your products and recommend the same to all that I know.

One final note to those vendors fueling this ... think of the vast amount of time/resources (MONEY) that you have wasted that is not yours.

400,000 members
5 minutes to read the read the thread
2,000,000 minutes, 3,333 hours, or 1.6 man years

I have not even accounted for time to digest, mull and respond to this foo-foo-rah. What a waste. Yup, it is on you, the vendors !!!

Well, I will now do some real work, then eat lunch and read the blog mentioned.

RegardsRudy KomacsarSenior Database Administrator"Ave Caesar! - Morituri te salutamus."

Brian Lockwood SSCarpal Tunnel Points: 4028 More actions · Answer 2

I think it's ironic that this is perhaps the worst post in the entire thread - it contains no relevant information or even logical arguments - and YOU are complaining about people wasting time? ahhhh - ok ....

if you have a point I have missed it. also note this was posted in the vendor section - are vendors not supposed to comment in this section. coupled with the fact nobody else does this section should remain real quiet!

I don't recall anybody asking for "special treatment". I haven't - I don't believe Quest has. To the contrary I've asked SSC to apply the same rigid standards of disclosure/disclaimers they apply to posters they "out" to themselves.

At the risk of having you "waste" another 5 minutes I'd suggest you reread this thread - this time more slowly.

Brian Lockwood
President
ApexSQL - SQL Developer Essentials

http://www.apexsql.com/blog

Stand up for an Independent SQL Community - be Informed

joshcsmith13 Hall of Fame Points: 3381 More actions · Answer 3

I'm with Rudy. I am sick of rantings (and re-rantings) on this site. I happen to use a few of Mr. Lockwood's tools, and I find them very useful. Unfortunately, his incessant griping is beginning to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Yes, this may not be related to the original subject of this thread, but neither are the numerous "points" that have been brought up for re-hashing.

Steve, keep up the good work! I always look forward to reading your editorials, and am grateful for all the work that you have put into this site.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736183 More actions · Answer 4

Thanks and please let me know if I'm ranting too much.

Maybe it's time to go back to talking about windmills and cool cars

Loner SSC-Insane Points: 21279 More actions · Answer 5

Can we go back and talk about SQL Server and its own tools?

Rudyx - the Doctor SSC-Forever Points: 43695 More actions · Answer 6

Go get 'em Steve !

RegardsRudy KomacsarSenior Database Administrator"Ave Caesar! - Morituri te salutamus."

Brian Lockwood SSCarpal Tunnel Points: 4028 More actions · Answer 7

I'm sick of the rantings about my rantings!

Brian Lockwood
President
ApexSQL - SQL Developer Essentials

http://www.apexsql.com/blog

Stand up for an Independent SQL Community - be Informed

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736183 More actions · Answer 8

And for the last word today...

This was an interesting debate. However I agree with Loner that we should get back on topic.

Red Gate has promised a "licensing clarification" tomorrow that I hope to see in their forum and unless I hear from Mr. Boule or someone at Quest, I shall drop this matter.

Nick Warren-382826 Grasshopper Points: 14 More actions · Answer 9

Over the past two days, there have been some comments posted in forums about Red Gate Software's licensing agreement for SQL Backup. The clause in the license agreement referred to in these posts is designed to prevent the use of a single license on multiple machines by continually transferring the license between machines. We can see, however, that the wording of the license can be interpreted in a different, more sinister way. It was never intended to stop people from transferring licenses in the case of upgrades, replacement of old equipment, reorganization, or any other legitimate reason, and we apologize if customers or prospective customers interpreted it this way.

I believe that any customer who does business with Red Gate Software knows that we operate in an atmosphere of trust and respect. We are working now on changing our licensing terms to make our policies clear. In the meantime, if anybody is concerned about this issue, please contact me directly at nick.warren@red-gate.com.

While we welcome competitive comparisons of products in open forums, the recent postings regarding our licensing issues seem to carry another purpose: to spread unwarranted fear and alarm in an effort to undermine Red Gate's credibility. We do not think that this is the purpose of forums, and we will not engage in these types of exchanges.

As for the suitability of SQL Backup in an enterprise environment, nearly 4000 customers -- including many Fortune 500 companies -- have selected Red Gate's product as the best choice for critical backup needs. We invite you to compare our products to our competitors in an environment of full disclosure, and send your comments to us, or post them on public forums, where we will be glad to respond.

Nick Warren

Head of Customer Support, Red Gate Software

Tatsu SSCertifiable Points: 7824 More actions · Answer 10

Thank you Nick. The only reason I was watching this thread was to get a response to the item raised in the initial post.

[font="Tahoma"]Bryant E. Byrd, BSSE MCDBA MCAD[/font]
Business Intelligence Administrator
MSBI Administration Blog

nunYoBidnez Ten Centuries Points: 1128 More actions · Answer 11

Well isn't this special! We are considering LiteSpeed, is it recommended or not????

Kindest Regards,

The art of doing mathematics consists in finding that special case which contains all the germs of generality.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736183 More actions · Answer 12

Not sure what you mean for "recommended".

Both Litespeed and SQL Backup are good products. They work slightly different ways and are better situated in different situations.

I'd talk to both companies, try them both, and spend an afternoon thinking about which better fits your orgaznition.

Bill Wehnert Ten Centuries Points: 1057 More actions · Answer 13

I've used both Litespeed (for about 2 1/2 years) and now SQL Backup for about 7 months. Overall, both products do the job intended and do it well.

Litespeed has the ability to replace the built in commands of SQL Server so that if you issue the standard backup commands (like using their Maintenance Plans for backups) - you will still be able to take advantage of the compression/encryption.

Both have standalone decompressors, so you can decompress/decrypt a backup on a machine that doesn't have the software installed in order to restore your DB.

SQL Backup does have a Lite version that will allow you to decompress/decrypt the backups from their Pro version - when last I used Litespeed - they did not have this ability - it may have changed now. This option is great because you can get a lesser version for your developers so that they can restore the DB locally for their own work - without having to have as much space as the full decompressed backup would require. Plus it's a LOT faster to restore the compressed object, rather than the decompressed object.

I think that SQL Backup does perform better in both compression and encryption time than Litespeed does. With a big database (mines rather small at 40GB) the faster the better - I get my backup down to about 7gb compressed/encrypted.

I think given all of the issues with people losing hard drives with sensitive information, it's only going to be a matter of time that we hear of some ISP losing a set of backup tapes with companies data on it. Having it encrypted gives me a little insurance against this happening. Not to mention the space savings in both backups and that I can now keep a weeks worth of backups on a local drive in case of a failure.

In my own experience, Red-Gate's support staff is more responsive and I got answers/feedback much more quickly from them (even on their forums) than I did with Quest.

Both are good companies and they stand behind their products, so I don't think you'll lose in going with either one.

Bill

Ad maiorem Dei gloriam

Hugh Thomas Ten Centuries Points: 1018 More actions · Answer 14

I think most of you all need to get a life . For crying out loud, does anyone really expect a free lunch? If you aren't mature or informed enough to know how the world works, you don't deserve the rich, informative, and highly valuable information that is being provided to you, the end-user, for FREE!!!

In full-disclosure, I'm just a poor shmoe trying to get by using my SQL skills and always needing to learn from experts in the field.

Thanks for the continuing great newsletters (to Steve, Andy, Red-Gate,... heck, whoever funds it and delivers the info. Does it matter?)

Hugh

Helen Joyce SSC Rookie Points: 26 More actions · Answer 15

Thanks, Bill, for your honest appraisal of SQL Backup and Litespeed. Both are capable of completing backup activities quickly and accurately, and they certainly enable DBAs to work far beyond the capabilities of native SQL Server for backup tasks.

As Project Manager of SQL Backup at Red Gate Software, of course I’m proud of the consistently high performance of SQL Backup and all its features. It’s no secret, though, that SQL Backup has features that Litespeed does not have, and vice-versa. This kind of variation between tools is natural in such a competitive market, and I agree with Bill that DBAs cannot really go far wrong with either solution. I would strongly recommend that everyone tries out both SQL Backup and Litespeed in their own environments to see which tool is most suited to their circumstances, working practices and budget. By the way, we’re always happy to answer any questions or hear feedback about SQL Backup, so do get in touch, either with our toll-free numbers or email addresses, as shown on the Red Gate website or through the forums here and we’ll be pleased to help!

Helen Joyce