February 18, 2014 at 8:40 am
Markus (2/17/2014)
Funny this article comes up. Saturday I was at my parents house and my Mom said look at this message I am getting on our PC.... she fires up the PC and low and behold it is Windows XP. I could have swore when we upgraded her from Windows ME it was to Vista.... yikes... so.... Sunday I ordered her a new PC with Windows 7. I don't want to try and teach an 80 year old how to use Win8 when i don't even have it myself. So, there will be one less XP license being used in a week or so... LOL
I understand their annoyance. Imagine being told your 6 year old car, or washer, or furnace had to be replaced, not because it no longer worked, but because the manufacturer decided it was not good enough and decided you need to buy the newest one.
Frankly it's annoying as hell.
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-- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers --
February 18, 2014 at 8:55 am
jay-h (2/18/2014)
Markus (2/17/2014)
Funny this article comes up. Saturday I was at my parents house and my Mom said look at this message I am getting on our PC.... she fires up the PC and low and behold it is Windows XP. I could have swore when we upgraded her from Windows ME it was to Vista.... yikes... so.... Sunday I ordered her a new PC with Windows 7. I don't want to try and teach an 80 year old how to use Win8 when i don't even have it myself. So, there will be one less XP license being used in a week or so... LOLI understand their annoyance. Imagine being told your 6 year old car, or washer, or furnace had to be replaced, not because it no longer worked, but because the manufacturer decided it was not good enough and decided you need to buy the newest one.
Frankly it's annoying as hell.
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.
The thing is with an appliance when it gets to 9+ years half the time when a part goes bad it is cheaper to buy a new product than the part.... our Fridge compressor died at 8 years old... new fridge was cheaper than compressor... and it was 40% more energy efficient... dishwasher the same thing.... the heat exchanger on our furnace died and we got a new furnace that was 17% more efficient because it was cheaper than replacing the heat exchanger in the old one.
February 18, 2014 at 9:14 am
Markus (2/18/2014)
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.
Every appliance, car, or other consumer item is possibly subject having a recall, and or the lower level of a permanent warranty item.
And if the SW was actually built correctly, why does it need monthly patches?
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A little bit of this and a little byte of that can cause bloatware.
February 18, 2014 at 9:26 am
Jim P. (2/18/2014)
Markus (2/18/2014)
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.Every appliance, car, or other consumer item is possibly subject having a recall, and or the lower level of a permanent warranty item.
And if the SW was actually built correctly, why does it need monthly patches?
I think you answered your own question... Humans write code and humans create products... they cannot possibly think of every single way someone could exploit the code or use a product. It isn't a Microsoft only problem.. I am sure they would love to have uncompromisable code from the get go. It would not give them bad press and would be cheaper in the long run to not have to patch in the future.
Think about a lawnmower today... all of the safety features that have to be put on them and how many bold print warnings in the owners manual... I remember hearing a guy that used his lawnmower to try and cut his hedge.. lifted the lawnmower up and it ended up falling on him and cutting him up quite badly and he sued the manufacture.... you cannot make a fullproof product... who would have thought that someone would try and use a lawnmower to cut a hedge....
February 18, 2014 at 9:32 am
Jim P. (2/18/2014)
Markus (2/18/2014)
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.Every appliance, car, or other consumer item is possibly subject having a recall, and or the lower level of a permanent warranty item.
And if the SW was actually built correctly, why does it need monthly patches?
The same reason we have new models of any appliance. The difference is that appliances can't get patches applied.
February 18, 2014 at 9:39 am
Luis Cazares (2/18/2014)
Jim P. (2/18/2014)
Markus (2/18/2014)
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.Every appliance, car, or other consumer item is possibly subject having a recall, and or the lower level of a permanent warranty item.
And if the SW was actually built correctly, why does it need monthly patches?
The same reason we have new models of any appliance. The difference is that appliances can't get patches applied.
Correct... but... they can get recalled for safety problems that were not built into the product when it was designed and manufactured.
February 18, 2014 at 9:43 am
Markus (2/18/2014)
I can understand both sides of it really... the thing is a furnace, washer, car doesn't run completely on software that needs to be patched every single month. If Microsoft kept supporting every single operating system forever they would have a nightmare on their hands and it would be quite expensive for them to write a patch for each different operating system. So, it is a little different than a mechanical product sitting in your kitchen.
The thing is with an appliance when it gets to 9+ years half the time when a part goes bad it is cheaper to buy a new product than the part.... our Fridge compressor died at 8 years old... new fridge was cheaper than compressor... and it was 40% more energy efficient... dishwasher the same thing.... the heat exchanger on our furnace died and we got a new furnace that was 17% more efficient because it was cheaper than replacing the heat exchanger in the old one.
Yes, it's different than a mechanical product in your kitchen, but that's because you're looking at it from the point of a software guy, someone who's become accustomed to constant replacement, no permanence whatsoever.
Many people are not at all into that mindset. They buy something, they keep it till it stops working, not simply until the manufacturer declares it 'obsolete'.
There is a problem with the throwaway mentality, tossing out 5 year old appliances, 2 year old cell phones. I drive a 25 year old car, I maintain it well, I have no plans to replace it any time soon. The furnace in my house was old when I bought it 24 years ago. I bleed it yearly, have replaced a valve, but it's still running. Interestingly, it's convection flow and thermo couple design means that it is fully functional without electric power... really helpful during Sandy. (You can't get systems like that any more, our overlords at the EPA have declared them not efficient enough).
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-- FORTRAN manual for Xerox Computers --
February 18, 2014 at 2:50 pm
Luis Cazares (2/17/2014)
Or I can marry and move out 😀
Or marry, move out and transfer all support calls to the spouse 😀
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Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part...unless you're my manager...or a director and above...or a really loud-spoken end-user..All right - what was my emergency again?
February 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Matt Miller (#4) (2/18/2014)
Luis Cazares (2/17/2014)
Or I can marry and move out 😀Or marry, move out and transfer all support calls to the spouse 😀
+10
February 20, 2014 at 12:30 pm
I really must replace my 8 year old PC running XP. It's good enough for web browsing, running MS Word, tinkering with SQL 2008R2 and a few others. Maybe burn a CD or two for the car and.....errmmmm....thats it really. It does everything I need it to do.
I know I need to upgrade in order to run SQL2014 and the power will come in handy to run some Linux VMs but perhaps I will just do my day job during my day job.
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