November 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm
I'm in 30 years old now and try to find a job in SQL Server Administration and Development but I'm afraid of age discrimination , and this makes me frustrated to continue and study hard to get MCSA SQL Server 2008 , please help me , and what is the perfect age for developers and administrator if the age is a main factor in the recruitment process
November 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I'm 6 years older than you are and I'm on the younger end of the SQL people that I know. Definitely on the younger end of the people at the company I just started working for.
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November 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm
MohamedDBA (11/11/2013)
I'm in 30 years old now and try to find a job in SQL Server Administration and Development but I'm afraid of age discrimination , and this makes me frustrated to continue and study hard to get MCSA SQL Server 2008 , please help me , and what is the perfect age for developers and administrator if the age is a main factor in the recruitment process
What on Earth makes you think there might be age discrimination at the tender age of only 30 years? Heh... I'm 61 and I've got sox that are older than you are. 😀
I've also found that most people in the market for a good DBA or Developer don't really care how old you are because it's so bloody difficult to find good ones.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
November 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm
thanks everyone for helping , the real reason behind my question came after reading this article makes me confused
http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/28/silicon-valley%E2%80%99s-dark-secret-it%E2%80%99s-all-about-age/
November 11, 2013 at 4:30 pm
That article talks about issues after age 40 and 50, not 30.
Age discrimination is usually when you are later in your career. However it could also occur when someone doesn't think you have enough experience at a young age.
At 30, I don't think there's an issue. If you are struggling to find a job, it's likely something else. Experience, talent, interview presence, competition, something else. You might ask someone you interviewed with or sent a resume to why you weren't chosen. I might also have you check with recruiters and get an evaluation from them of how you look to an employer.
November 12, 2013 at 3:51 am
+1 with Steve.
There is probably some other factor effecting your chances. Age is certainly not one of them. I'm now 35 and have been a DBA by title for almost 10 years.
November 12, 2013 at 4:04 am
Heh... I'm 61 and I've got sox that are older than you are. 😀
ROFL.....
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November 12, 2013 at 10:12 am
+1 with Jeff & Steve. If you think it is difficult in finding a DBA job in your 30's then you are in for a real shocker once you get > 50. Take it from one who has pass that magic age...
The benefit I had is my diverse background which not only included my DBA skills but overall application, database, people and management skills.
The DBA job market is a tough market to play in. Certifications go a long way when the hiring manager really doesn't know what he/she know the kind of person they need to fulfill the DBA role. I've seen in various interviews that the hiring manager would be most critical on useless details (typically found in BOL) will make or break a position. However it has been my experience that a more rounded background has assisted me in landing my last 4 positions.
Bottom line is that a mature skill along with good communication skills are going to win a good DBA position. That is why you will see a lot more grey hair'd (if they are fortunate to have hair at all) DBAs than any other type of developer....
Just saying....
Kurt
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November 12, 2013 at 10:38 am
I have to agree with Jeff, Steve and Kurt. As I turn more gray with each passing day, I think that perceived age can work against you later in life. Then again, interviewing managers also say that they want youth, but also experience at the same time. They can't have a 30-year old who has 32 years experience in the same person. I've also found that the highly-intangible "personality fit" also weighs into the interviewer's decision.
Personally, I'd give more weight to experience than anything else, but keep in mind that's coming from me and I don't need 4 bytes to count the dark hairs left on my head. 😀
November 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm
MohamedDBA (11/11/2013)
what is the perfect age for developers and administrator if the age is a main factor in the recruitment process
Old enough to know better, young enough to give a d@mn.
My thought question: Have you ever been told that your query runs too fast?
My advice:
INDEXing a poor-performing query is like putting sugar on cat food. Yeah, it probably tastes better but are you sure you want to eat it?
The path of least resistance can be a slippery slope. Take care that fixing your fixes of fixes doesn't snowball and end up costing you more than fixing the root cause would have in the first place.
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November 13, 2013 at 5:34 am
Kurt W. Zimmerman (11/12/2013)
... you will see a lot more grey hair'd (if they are fortunate to have hair at all) DBAs than any other type of developer...Kurt
+1 to it.
That article is more less true for web developers.
They (managers) fear to give a fat pay to a (allegedly) senior guy just to learn he cannot do the job.
At the other hand they (managers again) (guess) fresh clay can be molded as they wish.
Keep studying (or get out of IT business) and try to improve your skills.
A good position ill show up any day, just keep yourself sharp or that opportunity ill escape you.
November 13, 2013 at 7:20 am
DBA means a person who is having good knowledge and experience which defintely means that those people dont fall in the category of freshers/newbies ..even if we talk about accidental DBAs even these people too have spent some couple of years in industry ..
So if i go with age calculation math ..defintely DBAs are the people who started their career at least by age of 24-25 yrs. and any DBA having few years of exp certainly touching age of 30. So you are Safe :-D.
So forget about age factor and think about "Why Select is working so Slow ? " 😛
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November 20, 2013 at 1:13 pm
just keep trying ploting in different strategies of getting to where you want to go DBA or else. and one day you may realize you are where you wanted to be and none of the certifications and age and looks get you there. my experience is that and i was only committed and knew naively where i should be.
November 20, 2013 at 3:16 pm
MohamedDBA (11/11/2013)
You can safely ignore such cra@p articles. The author's words seem more like a troll posting than a well thought article. If you have skills, experience and intelligence, then age is not a problem. 30 is quite young actually.
I suggest that you take internet articles with a pinch of salt 🙂 Hey, wait...this is on the internet too. Oh well !:w00t:
November 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Thanks to all of you my friends for supporting me and makes me excited again to continue learning and working hard and get rid of negative thoughts 🙂
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