April 18, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Paul White (4/18/2009)
Hey everyone,If you don't like what Steve's posting, just ignore it eh?
There's nothing more tedious than scrolling through pages of quoted-quoted-quoted-quotes with pointless snarky comments on the end.
Steve's product sounds fascinating, and I for one would love to hear more about it.
Oh bugger it. I smirked and gave the game away.
Paul
LMAO
Thanks for the shoulder (I think :-)). The others I've gotten have been rather cold. But hopefully we won't be referred to as snarky and hutch 🙂
best,
steve
April 19, 2009 at 12:31 am
steve dassin (4/18/2009)
...snarky and hutch 🙂
:laugh: but also :pinch: !!!
Paul White
SQLPerformance.com
SQLkiwi blog
@SQL_Kiwi
April 19, 2009 at 10:40 am
Which one's Snarky?
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April 19, 2009 at 12:41 pm
RBarryYoung (4/19/2009)
Which one's Snarky?
Neither 🙂
Here's an attempt to interest sql users in net:
'.NET Basics for the Database Developer: Take the Plunge'
http://www.devx.com/dbzone/Article/41440
As an introduction this is superficial crap. I'm not going to waste your time with a bunch of point and quips. I'm trying to spark your imagination. Imagine that 🙂
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic554742-203-16.aspx#bm700210
I'm trying to grab you by the b_lls. Not kick you there 🙂
best,
steve
April 19, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Steve,
Do you even know the concept of professionalism? I'm sorry, but I have read enough of your hyperbole and attacks. If you want to start influencing people get professional in your conversations regarding your "product". As far as hearing anything more, I don't care to so I respectively ask that you take it else where. Start your own thread here on SSC about it, at least there I can ignore it.
I'd prefer it if you would stop trying to hijack other threads to advertise your "product".
April 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm
From Dataphor SQL RAC
Dataphor - Sql: what does Update..From mean?
What is really wrong with the "UPDATE.. FROM.." syntax?
This example uses MS Sql Server 2005
and
the D4 language of Dataphor @
www.alphora.com
Yields Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
http://tinyurl.com/27Z8PM - Is a redirection link taking one to
microsoft.public.sqlserver.programming
I find this rather limiting - almost to the point of making Dataphor useless
(for example D4 will not return
nor address a table with duplicate key(s) or rows).
The goal of sql is
performance oriented retrieval of large numbers of rows. The goal
of Dataphor is toward application development which is less
concerned with retrieval and more concerned with 'addressing' tables.
Further - The only reason for maintaining data in a database is to return data for other uses - thus dataphor appears not to be applicable to any real world useage.
Sorry but at this point I gave up ... and that is from only reading a wee bit from your site
April 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/19/2009)
Steve,Do you even know the concept of professionalism? I'm sorry, but I have read enough of your hyperbole and attacks. If you want to start influencing people get professional in your conversations regarding your "product". As far as hearing anything more, I don't care to so I respectively ask that you take it else where. Start your own thread here on SSC about it, at least there I can ignore it.
I'd prefer it if you would stop trying to hijack other threads to advertise your "product".
I'm puzzled by your puzzlement of my form of professionalism. We seem to have a professional disagreement. I'm trying to bring a certain j'en sais quoi to the 'table' 🙂 A little 'hipper' than perhaps you'd prefer. I purposely don't use the relational 'jargon' because I think the material can be presented in a more 'informal' and entertaining way. An easier way to relate too. What do you expect me to do quote Date's TTM? 🙂 How far do you think that'll get me? C'mon, I could have chosen to present this stuff in rap 🙂 And I note in passing good ideas don't have performance metrics 🙂
>..I have read enough of your hyperbole and attacks
Where you get this attack mode from? Whom or what am I attacking. I'm not using sql as a four letter word. I have to compare and contrast sql with other ideas. It's part of the deal. But don't make me out as jaws:-)
I will take this elsewhere. And there's no need to knock 🙂
best,
steve
April 19, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Okay, you don't grasp what I think is unprofessional regarding your posts. This is just one example of what I consider totally unprofessional:
I'm trying to grab you by the b_lls. Not kick you there
I am sure, if you'd like, I could find numerous other examples.
Again, please start your own thread on your "product" and leave the discuss of said "product" there.
April 19, 2009 at 3:06 pm
RBarryYoung (4/19/2009)
Which one's Snarky?
If it helps at all (calm things down a bit) - I'm quite happy with the label 😉
Everyone have a good day. It's wet and cold here. 🙁
Paul
Paul White
SQLPerformance.com
SQLkiwi blog
@SQL_Kiwi
April 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Paul White (4/19/2009)
RBarryYoung (4/19/2009)
Which one's Snarky?If it helps at all (calm things down a bit) - I'm quite happy with the label 😉
Everyone have a good day. It's wet and cold here. 🙁
Paul
You know, after a SNOW DAY on Friday, it is actually quite nice here today in Colorado. So where are you that it is cold and wet?
April 19, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Here's an attempt to interest sql users in net:
'.NET Basics for the Database Developer: Take the Plunge'
I moderate most of the Microsoft .NET forums I choose to use on the MSDN forums and when someone thinks Access which I don't use is the same with SQL Server that person is confused about ANSI SQL basic so that person's writing will never be relevant to me.
MCPD C# MCTS TFS MCITP BI and DBA
Kind regards,
Gift Peddie
April 19, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Gift Peddie (4/19/2009)
Here's an attempt to interest sql users in net:
'.NET Basics for the Database Developer: Take the Plunge'
I moderate most of the Microsoft .NET forums I choose to use on the MSDN forums and when someone thinks Access which I don't use is the same with SQL Server that person is confused about ANSI SQL basic so that person's writing will never be relevant to me.
MCPD C# MCTS TFS MCITP BI and DBA
Hello Peddie,
I understand what you're saying but that was not my real point. A Point and click presentation is NOT a substitute for explanation, for understanding. Just as the code of a query is not a substitute for a succinct explanation. Too much of IT is content to let the user fill in the blanks. And then IT wonders why so many users shoot them 🙂
best,
steve
April 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm
wldhrs (4/17/2009)
RBarryYoung (4/16/2009) andrew gothard (4/15/2009) Jeff Moden (4/14/2009) Jim Russell (4/14/2009) Charles Kincaid (4/13/2009)
Okkkk....
All of you, have, like, been taking a point of view that has only one common thread, and I would guess that Hunter S Thompson, if he were still allive, may not be unfamiliar with this context either.
Could this thread be re--presented as an approach to -original- as opposed to -artificial- intelligence?
No I'm not joking.
Sorry, but, EH?
I'm a DBA.
I'm not paid to solve problems. I'm paid to prevent them.
April 19, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-D
I suppose it boils down to "be prepared to learn, not just yesterday, not just today, but forever".
The basis for the whole thread boils down to a thread started by a C# developer who thought the SQL language should be forked (effectively) down two paths so he didn't have to bother having to learn a new (set based) skillset.
Personally, I get into a bit of a strop if I get through a day without learning something useful, and I'd guess that the others who have "indulged in the nostalgia thread" are precisely the same - otherwise, they wouldn't be on this thread after all these years. Mr Moden may, apparently, be older than God ;-), but it's pretty obvious that his attitude is young enough that he loves a new challenge. Having said that - we all enjoy a good old war story, as it were. It's just another way of sharing experience - which is a vastly undervalued commodity, if you know how to adapt it.
The "good old days" are tomorow onwards, though - that's where the new challenges lie.
Yesterday? Done that!
I'm a DBA.
I'm not paid to solve problems. I'm paid to prevent them.
April 19, 2009 at 4:28 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
Ok old timer(s) I'll be back over the weekend. I'll try to show and explain some Grace Slick type stuff 🙂 I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement 🙂
best,
steve
In all honesty, the tone of many of your posts suggest you may well be 😛
I'm a DBA.
I'm not paid to solve problems. I'm paid to prevent them.
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