April 17, 2009 at 12:45 am
RBarryYoung (4/16/2009) andrew gothard (4/15/2009) Jeff Moden (4/14/2009) Jim Russell (4/14/2009) Charles Kincaid (4/13/2009)
Okkkk....
All of you, have, like, been taking a point of view that has only one common thread, and I would guess that Hunter S Thompson, if he were still allive, may not be unfamiliar with this context either.
Could this thread be re--presented as an approach to -original- as opposed to -artificial- intelligence?
No I'm not joking.
Peter Edmunds ex-Geek
April 17, 2009 at 11:34 am
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-D
:-PManie Verster
Developer
Johannesburg
South Africa
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. - Holy Bible
I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first of which is to be flexible at all times. - Everett Mckinley Dirkson (Well, I am trying. - Manie Verster)
April 17, 2009 at 11:54 am
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-D
Neither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
April 17, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
And larger amounts of data.
April 17, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
Ok old timer(s) I'll be back over the weekend. I'll try to show and explain some Grace Slick type stuff 🙂 I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement 🙂
best,
steve
April 17, 2009 at 1:28 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
Ok old timer(s) I'll be back over the weekend. I'll try to show and explain some Grace Slick type stuff 🙂 I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement 🙂
best,
steve
Actually Mr. Dassin,
I'd prefer you just leave the sarcasm to us. I don't need to be pushed, pulled, or dragged into the 21st century by anyone. I have made the trip here quite well without the aid of the "younger" generation. I easily accept change, where it is made with appropriate thought and consideration, not just for the sake of change. I am also sure that many of the other "old timers" perhaps feel the same way, or we would not be in this career field where technology is constantly changing and requires us to adapt.
In addition, I have no desire to hear more about your "product" or what it may "supposedly" bring to us, since until now you have only provided hyperbole and attacks.
April 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
Ok old timer(s) I'll be back over the weekend. I'll try to show and explain some Grace Slick type stuff 🙂 I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement 🙂
best,
steve
Actually Mr. Dassin,
I'd prefer you just leave the sarcasm to us. I don't need to be pushed, pulled, or dragged into the 21st century by anyone. I have made the trip here quite well without the aid of the "younger" generation. I easily accept change, where it is made with appropriate thought and consideration, not just for the sake of change. I am also sure that many of the other "old timers" perhaps feel the same way, or we would not be in this career field where technology is constantly changing and requires us to adapt.
In addition, I have no desire to hear more about your "product" or what it may "supposedly" bring to us, since until now you have only provided hyperbole and attacks.
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.
>I'd prefer you just leave the sarcasm to us.
I could jump on that but sql has enough trouble with standards 🙂
best,
steve
April 17, 2009 at 2:43 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
Manie Verster (4/17/2009)
:crying: Ok, guys we're getting very nostalgic here whilst you are reminiscing over the good (or is it bad?) old days. I haven't a clue what you are talking about and would like to know where the T-SQL Paradigm fits in here. Hope you enjoyed yourself thoroughly!:-DNeither good nor bad old days to be true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Still dealing with the same problems and opportunities just using different tools.
Ok old timer(s) I'll be back over the weekend. I'll try to show and explain some Grace Slick type stuff 🙂 I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement 🙂
best,
steve
Actually Mr. Dassin,
I'd prefer you just leave the sarcasm to us. I don't need to be pushed, pulled, or dragged into the 21st century by anyone. I have made the trip here quite well without the aid of the "younger" generation. I easily accept change, where it is made with appropriate thought and consideration, not just for the sake of change. I am also sure that many of the other "old timers" perhaps feel the same way, or we would not be in this career field where technology is constantly changing and requires us to adapt.
In addition, I have no desire to hear more about your "product" or what it may "supposedly" bring to us, since until now you have only provided hyperbole and attacks.
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.
>I'd prefer you just leave the sarcasm to us.
I could jump on that but sql has enough trouble with standards 🙂
best,
steve
I do have a positive attitude, I'm positive that I don't want hear anything more about your "product". After the hyperbole and attacks in the other threads, you simply have nothing more for me to hear. You blew any chance at even convincing me that your "product" was even worth looking at. You don't sell "anything" by saying negative things about your competition. It simply sends the message that your "product" can't stand on its own. And it doesn't matter what your product is either.
We replaced our windows in our home several years ago and had three contractors come out and give us bids. The first and third companies simply provided us information regarding their product and gave us a bid. The second, however, after giving us their sales pitch asked about the other contractors we were looking at, and then proceeded to berate and bad-mouth both. Guess who didn't get the job, and it had nothing to do with their bid.
April 17, 2009 at 3:09 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.(snipped some)
best,
steve
I have to admit, I'm a bit sketchy on your product. But I do know this, I come here to chat about SQL Server, not RAC.
I also admit that I tend to have a bit of apathy for products or sales or messaging that use other's publicity to pitch their product.
Nevertheless I don't see how the following pitch would bring the customers in:
"I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement."
:doze:
April 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm
dphillips (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.(snipped some)
best,
steve
I have to admit, I'm a bit sketchy on your product. But I do know this, I come here to chat about SQL Server, not RAC.
I also admit that I tend to have a bit of apathy for products or sales or messaging that use other's publicity to pitch their product.
Nevertheless I don't see how the following pitch would bring the customers in:
"I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement."
:doze:
Hello,
No one is talking about the RAC utility here. Here's what I want to talk about:
From Database Design » Relational Theory » New Relational Sub-Language?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums /Topic360790-374-2.aspx#bm473331
RBarryYoung (3/23/2008)
Aaron McConnell (8/3/2007)
I think adding relational logic capabilities to SQL is great idea, for one reason only-we'd have to rename it to something like Structured Query and Relational Language - SQRL.
I think it'd be a lot more fun to call it Squirrel Server than Sequel Server.
Everyone's got to have a dream, dude.
Just a little dreaming about what sql would like with the infusion of some relational ideas. These ideas are embodied in Dataphor, an open source RAD tool.
best,
steve
April 17, 2009 at 7:25 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
dphillips (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.(snipped some)
best,
steve
I have to admit, I'm a bit sketchy on your product. But I do know this, I come here to chat about SQL Server, not RAC.
I also admit that I tend to have a bit of apathy for products or sales or messaging that use other's publicity to pitch their product.
Nevertheless I don't see how the following pitch would bring the customers in:
"I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement."
:doze:
Hello,
No one is talking about the RAC utility here. Here's what I want to talk about:
From Database Design » Relational Theory » New Relational Sub-Language?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums /Topic360790-374-2.aspx#bm473331
RBarryYoung (3/23/2008)
Aaron McConnell (8/3/2007)
I think adding relational logic capabilities to SQL is great idea, for one reason only-we'd have to rename it to something like Structured Query and Relational Language - SQRL.
I think it'd be a lot more fun to call it Squirrel Server than Sequel Server.
Everyone's got to have a dream, dude.
Just a little dreaming about what sql would like with the infusion of some relational ideas. These ideas are embodied in Dataphor, an open source RAD tool.
best,
steve
And that is the "product" I was talking about. Personally, I heard more than enough about it. If anyone wants to learn more, all they have to do is go to your blog, and you have that right in your signature block.
April 17, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
dphillips (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.(snipped some)
best,
steve
I have to admit, I'm a bit sketchy on your product. But I do know this, I come here to chat about SQL Server, not RAC.
I also admit that I tend to have a bit of apathy for products or sales or messaging that use other's publicity to pitch their product.
Nevertheless I don't see how the following pitch would bring the customers in:
"I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement."
:doze:
Hello,
No one is talking about the RAC utility here. Here's what I want to talk about:
From Database Design » Relational Theory » New Relational Sub-Language?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums /Topic360790-374-2.aspx#bm473331
RBarryYoung (3/23/2008)
Aaron McConnell (8/3/2007)
I think adding relational logic capabilities to SQL is great idea, for one reason only-we'd have to rename it to something like Structured Query and Relational Language - SQRL.
I think it'd be a lot more fun to call it Squirrel Server than Sequel Server.
Everyone's got to have a dream, dude.
Just a little dreaming about what sql would like with the infusion of some relational ideas. These ideas are embodied in Dataphor, an open source RAD tool.
best,
steve
And that is the "product" I was talking about. Personally, I heard more than enough about it. If anyone wants to learn more, all they have to do is go to your blog, and you have that right in your signature block.
I really haven't gotten into it and already your protecting yourself from information overload? 🙂
best,
steve
April 17, 2009 at 8:23 pm
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
dphillips (4/17/2009)
steve dassin (4/17/2009)
Please remember I'm not looking to play stump the grump :-). Go in with a positive attitude. Window shopping is ok. There's always a chance you'll see something you'll consider buying.(snipped some)
best,
steve
I have to admit, I'm a bit sketchy on your product. But I do know this, I come here to chat about SQL Server, not RAC.
I also admit that I tend to have a bit of apathy for products or sales or messaging that use other's publicity to pitch their product.
Nevertheless I don't see how the following pitch would bring the customers in:
"I don't know if you guys have to be dragged into the 21 century or you just need a little push. I just hope I'm not dealing with cerebral cement."
:doze:
Hello,
No one is talking about the RAC utility here. Here's what I want to talk about:
From Database Design » Relational Theory » New Relational Sub-Language?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums /Topic360790-374-2.aspx#bm473331
RBarryYoung (3/23/2008)
Aaron McConnell (8/3/2007)
I think adding relational logic capabilities to SQL is great idea, for one reason only-we'd have to rename it to something like Structured Query and Relational Language - SQRL.
I think it'd be a lot more fun to call it Squirrel Server than Sequel Server.
Everyone's got to have a dream, dude.
Just a little dreaming about what sql would like with the infusion of some relational ideas. These ideas are embodied in Dataphor, an open source RAD tool.
best,
steve
And that is the "product" I was talking about. Personally, I heard more than enough about it. If anyone wants to learn more, all they have to do is go to your blog, and you have that right in your signature block.
I really haven't gotten into it and already your protecting yourself from information overload? 🙂
best,
steve
Nope, that isn't it at all. I have read enough in the other threads to know you have nothing but hyperbola and attacks to offer. You have not provided anything concrete regarding your product or its capabilities. You haven't provided any success stories of companies that have used your "product" to successfully accomplish anything. IF I want to learn anything more about your product, I'll visit your blog; but wait, I have no desire to do that so if I were you, don't hold your breath.
April 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Mr. Dassin,
It seems like you ticked of some people here. A tip from me to you. When me and my brother were children we fought like cats and dogs but the moment an outsider came and hurt any of us we would stand up together like a force and fight them. This is you now, the outsider I mean, and you said something to hurt one of our brothers or sisters and we'll pounce on you like nothing.
By the way, I read your blog to see what you are selling and I must say I am not very pleased with what I saw. Do not degrade one product to sell another. Change your pitch or something cause here it's not going to work.
For the rest I can just say: "May the force be with you!"
:-PManie Verster
Developer
Johannesburg
South Africa
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. - Holy Bible
I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first of which is to be flexible at all times. - Everett Mckinley Dirkson (Well, I am trying. - Manie Verster)
April 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Hey everyone,
If you don't like what Steve's posting, just ignore it eh?
There's nothing more tedious than scrolling through pages of quoted-quoted-quoted-quotes with pointless snarky comments on the end.
Steve's product sounds fascinating, and I for one would love to hear more about it.
Oh bugger it. I smirked and gave the game away.
Paul
LMAO
Paul White
SQLPerformance.com
SQLkiwi blog
@SQL_Kiwi
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