March 26, 2010 at 11:07 am
Let me try with an example. I have a project to support a datawarehouse type of requirement on one of my teams. This project requires a copy of the existing production database on anothe server with real time synchronization to the main one. The existing database is SQL Server 2005 standard. Now am given the responsiblity of finding a solution that includes a possiblity of upgrade. I am looking into
1 Replication
2 SAN replication
3 Change Trackign with data sync services
4 CDC with SSIS.
For each option i need to prepare a demo, pros and cons and costs to the management. If I had a way i could document all this and after i have chosen one, pros and cons of using it and so on it would account for a sizeable project. That would count as one of the requirements for a certification. Does that make some sense?
This just means you have some fancy paper work for managers when you implement please post the 35 percent flaws in your proposal.
Some of the reason we need to keep this on implementation
Kind regards,
Gift Peddie
March 26, 2010 at 11:09 am
dma-669038 (3/26/2010)
Let me try with an example. I have a project to support a datawarehouse type of requirement on one of my teams. This project requires a copy of the existing production database on anothe server with real time synchronization to the main one. The existing database is SQL Server 2005 standard. Now am given the responsiblity of finding a solution that includes a possiblity of upgrade. I am looking into1 Replication
2 SAN replication
3 Change Trackign with data sync services
4 CDC with SSIS.
For each option i need to prepare a demo, pros and cons and costs to the management. If I had a way i could document all this and after i have chosen one, pros and cons of using it and so on it would account for a sizeable project. That would count as one of the requirements for a certification. Does that make some sense?
Okay, I see where that is going. I can see a need to flesh it out some, perhaps with some kind of documentation standard so that everyone does it the same way and it is easier to evaluate.
March 26, 2010 at 11:11 am
Gift Peddie (3/26/2010)
Again, not helping. How about constructive suggestions or ideas instead of all this negativity. Going to start calling you Oddba
I am an oddball because I am pointing out the flaws of what you are proposing, I am documenting my objection to an invalid proposal on technical grounds.
PMP is hr what does hr know about software implementation? None.
Novell is file system so that is RDBMS storage leaving 95% of SQL Server outside in comparison.
Actually wrong on both accounts.
The Novell certifications were for Networking - that is not file system. And it is actually the same structure that AD was built on - which is used heavily for security in SQL Server.
PMP is not HR. PMP is Project Management. True that a PMP certified Project Manager can manage more than IT projects, however they manage the project and not the people.
It is the principles outlined with being able to be certified. If you are a project manager for x years then you can qualify for the cert. How does that relate? We are saying that you must (like the pre-reqs for MCM) have x number of years in the field before you can certify.
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March 26, 2010 at 11:11 am
It is not 'fancy paperwork' in the least...MCM itself requires explaining a project in detail in order to get admitted, and so do several certifications. I would love to remember mroe detail of some projects I did myself pretty complex ones a long time ago and i have none. It helps the individual and those interviewing or examining his/her experience to understand how far he /she has come and how far the product technology has come.
Lynn, i think am going to stop here. I think you are doing an admirable job keeping up the focus of the thread but the negativity from Gift is getting too much for me to handle. Thanks much and hope we can continue talking on these lines later.
March 26, 2010 at 11:13 am
Lynn Pettis (3/26/2010)
Sorry, not calling you Oddball any more, wrong reference. I have to be Oddball in this instance.
Thanks for correcting that ODDBALL!!
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March 26, 2010 at 11:17 am
CirquedeSQLeil (3/26/2010)
Lynn Pettis (3/26/2010)
Sorry, not calling you Oddball any more, wrong reference. I have to be Oddball in this instance.Thanks for correcting that ODDBALL!!
Now if we could just Moriarty on board and stop with all the negativity, we might get somewhere.
March 26, 2010 at 11:19 am
dma-669038 (3/26/2010)
It is not 'fancy paperwork' in the least...MCM itself requires explaining a project in detail in order to get admitted, and so do several certifications. I would love to remember mroe detail of some projects I did myself pretty complex ones a long time ago and i have none. It helps the individual and those interviewing or examining his/her experience to understand how far he /she has come and how far the product technology has come.Lynn, i think am going to stop here. I think you are doing an admirable job keeping up the focus of the thread but the negativity from Gift is getting too much for me to handle. Thanks much and hope we can continue talking on these lines later.
Go ahead and take a break, but please don't stop offering ideas. I'd like to see your idea expanded a bit more and see how it could be incorporated into a more comprehensive framework.
March 26, 2010 at 11:19 am
Lynn Pettis (3/26/2010)
dma-669038 (3/26/2010)
Let me try with an example. I have a project to support a datawarehouse type of requirement on one of my teams. This project requires a copy of the existing production database on anothe server with real time synchronization to the main one. The existing database is SQL Server 2005 standard. Now am given the responsiblity of finding a solution that includes a possiblity of upgrade. I am looking into1 Replication
2 SAN replication
3 Change Trackign with data sync services
4 CDC with SSIS.
For each option i need to prepare a demo, pros and cons and costs to the management. If I had a way i could document all this and after i have chosen one, pros and cons of using it and so on it would account for a sizeable project. That would count as one of the requirements for a certification. Does that make some sense?
Okay, I see where that is going. I can see a need to flesh it out some, perhaps with some kind of documentation standard so that everyone does it the same way and it is easier to evaluate.
Thanks for saying something righteous and hopeful...
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
Learn Extended Events
March 26, 2010 at 11:22 am
It is not 'fancy paperwork' in the least...MCM itself requires explaining a project in detail in order to get admitted, and so do several certifications. I would love to remember mroe detail of some projects I did myself pretty complex ones a long time ago and i have none. It helps the individual and those interviewing or examining his/her experience to understand how far he /she has come and how far the product technology has come.
I am of the stand that MCM is for Microsoft and their partners employees. I have no complains about MCITP, I had problems with 70-446 which they fixed in 2008.
All I am saying your current system cannot be implemented but can be accepted because you created it at work.
Kind regards,
Gift Peddie
March 26, 2010 at 11:53 am
Actually wrong on both accounts.
The Novell certifications were for Networking - that is not file system. And it is actually the same structure that AD was built on - which is used heavily for security in SQL Server.
The networking part is correct but correct implementation of SQL Server networking is not included because SQL Server Windows server is a member server that does not participate in the AD user resolution structure. And in an application context the standardized LDAP manages users when users are more than a few thousand. I may add to this when SharePoint 2010 is live with the new claims based system.
PMP is not HR. PMP is Project Management. True that a PMP certified Project Manager can manage more than IT projects, however they manage the project and not the people.
This is from personal experience in a very large software engineering company. I met only one male PMP and he was not white.
It is the principles outlined with being able to be certified. If you are a project manager for x years then you can qualify for the cert. How does that relate? We are saying that you must (like the pre-reqs for MCM) have x number of years in the field before you can certify.
My reasons for putting MCM in a sand box is Microsoft saying one thing and adding what is proposed in either a service pack or adding the feature to editions that main stream cannot use. And depreciating features it claims are not flawed.
Kind regards,
Gift Peddie
March 26, 2010 at 11:59 am
To be licensed to practice law in Florida, I had to pass the state bar exam... and don't think there aren't cram courses and outlines for that. But the exam itself was two or three long days of spilling out your total knowledge on a diverse range of subjects. I also had to pass a background check and afterwards take a certain amount of continuing education. But once I passed the bar, I had the right to hang out my shingle even though I had never written a contract nor tried a case. In other words, no job experience required.
My wife recently became a Nationally Board Certified Teacher. This required passing a test AND having material she submitted (including video footage of her in a specific teaching setting) reviewed by peers in her field (special education). I was very impressed by the peer review concept.
I sometimes wonder if there is a role for PASS in certifying people as having a specific level of expertise, not experience. It doesn't matter if they get it from work experience, a self-study course, or a school. The point is whether or not they know what needs to be done and how to go about doing it. The problem is that too many small businesses or other organizations have to hire people when they have no one already in-house equipped to judge the applicant's qualifications.
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March 26, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Gift Peddie (3/26/2010)
Actually wrong on both accounts.
The Novell certifications were for Networking - that is not file system. And it is actually the same structure that AD was built on - which is used heavily for security in SQL Server.
The networking part is correct but correct implementation of SQL Server networking is not included because SQL Server Windows server is a member server that does not participate in the AD user resolution structure. And in an application context the standardized LDAP manages users when users are more than a few thousand. I may add to this when SharePoint 2010 is live with the new claims based system.
PMP is not HR. PMP is Project Management. True that a PMP certified Project Manager can manage more than IT projects, however they manage the project and not the people.
This is from personal experience in a very large software engineering company. I met only one male PMP and he was not white.
It is the principles outlined with being able to be certified. If you are a project manager for x years then you can qualify for the cert. How does that relate? We are saying that you must (like the pre-reqs for MCM) have x number of years in the field before you can certify.
My reasons for putting MCM in a sand box is Microsoft saying one thing and adding what is proposed in either a service pack or adding the feature to editions that main stream cannot use. And depreciating features it claims are not flawed.
Tried to ignore, but can't.
You aren't helping. Nothing in your last two posts has really added anything to the discussion. Please, try offering something positive and constructive.
And please, stop bashing Microsoft. We know you have issues with them, but please keep it between you and them and keep us out of it. I assume you make living of their technologies.
we are genuinely trying to put together ideas for a possible level of certification between MCITP and MCM whether it is something Microsoft decides to do or a third party and hopefully the ideas presented here help form that cert, at least in some manner.
March 26, 2010 at 12:08 pm
The Dixie Flatline (3/26/2010)
To be licensed to practice law in Florida, I had to pass the state bar exam... and don't think there aren't cram courses and outlines for that. But the exam itself was two or three long days of spilling out your total knowledge on a diverse range of subjects. I also had to pass a background check and afterwards take a certain amount of continuing education. But once I passed the bar, I had the right to hang out my shingle even though I had never written a contract nor tried a case. In other words, no job experience required.My wife recently became a Nationally Board Certified Teacher. This required passing a test AND having material she submitted (including video footage of her in a specific teaching setting) reviewed by peers in her field (special education). I was very impressed by the peer review concept.
I sometimes wonder if there is a role for PASS in certifying people as having a specific level of expertise, not experience. It doesn't matter if they get it from work experience, a self-study course, or a school. The point is whether or not they know what needs to be done and how to go about doing it. The problem is that too many small businesses or other organizations have to hire people when they have no one already in-house equipped to judge the applicant's qualifications.
Peer review. For the MCJ, would this need to be a video, or could a project, including code, that could be tested in a lab environment by independent individuals be a part of the cert?
March 26, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Gift Peddie (3/26/2010)
It has nothing to do with education as a right but the equality of educational opportunities.
That is semantics.
True, because the English definition of "semantics" is "the meaning of a word, phase or sentence", and what they were saying is that you have been applying and interpreting the terms incorrectly, i.e., that you have the wrong meaning.
Are you now admitting that then?
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March 26, 2010 at 12:13 pm
And please, stop bashing Microsoft. We know you have issues with them, but please keep it between you and them and keep us out of it. I assume you make living of their technologies.
I am Microsoft bashing because I disagree with you nice.
we are genuinely trying to put together ideas for a possible level of certification between MCITP and MCM whether it is something Microsoft decides to do or a third party and hopefully the ideas presented here help form that cert, at least in some manner.
And again I am saying no because there is not technical valid reason for it.
Kind regards,
Gift Peddie
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