November 15, 2018 at 9:34 am
FunkyDexter - Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:48 AMIf the question is "Should a woman have the right to dress however she wants?", my answer is a hearty Hell Yes. But if the question is "Should this woman put on hot pants and a crop top and walk through the seediest part of town late at night?", well then I'm going to say it's not a good idea.
Sadly, you are right. There are, as you call it, seedy parts in some towns that are not safe. Not for women in hot pants, and not for me in an ugly Christmas swaeter.
I consider that a sign of failur of human society. It's not something that can be easily fixed, but if it ever gets fixed it'll have to come from government / politics.
But for the context of this discussion, I'll do whatever I can to ensure that places such as PASS Summit, or this forum, never degenerate into the level of, again quoting you, the seediest part of town. I hope all of us can be better than that.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic about government/politics solving the problem. In most cases government/politics IS the problem.
November 15, 2018 at 11:37 am
Hugo Kornelis - Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:12 AMFunkyDexter - Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:48 AMIf the question is "Should a woman have the right to dress however she wants?", my answer is a hearty Hell Yes. But if the question is "Should this woman put on hot pants and a crop top and walk through the seediest part of town late at night?", well then I'm going to say it's not a good idea.Sadly, you are right. There are, as you call it, seedy parts in some towns that are not safe. Not for women in hot pants, and not for me in an ugly Christmas swaeter.
I consider that a sign of failur of human society. It's not something that can be easily fixed, but if it ever gets fixed it'll have to come from government / politics.But for the context of this discussion, I'll do whatever I can to ensure that places such as PASS Summit, or this forum, never degenerate into the level of, again quoting you, the seediest part of town. I hope all of us can be better than that.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic about government/politics solving the problem. In most cases government/politics IS the problem.
So what do we put in place of government / politics?
What I've been interested in the last few years is homing in on the differences / conflicts related to politics, so when I hear "government / politics" is the problem, I'm always interested in what we would do in place of government / politics.
edit: I know its been an interesting perspective listening to multiple sides of political arguments, it helped me understand the Linux CoC controversies for instance. I know being interested in both sides however might not be a sentiment shared among participants here.
November 15, 2018 at 12:35 pm
patrickmcginnis59 10839 - Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:37 AMLynn Pettis - Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:34 AMPlease tell me you are being sarcastic about government/politics solving the problem. In most cases government/politics IS the problem.So what do we put in place of government / politics?
What I've been interested in the last few years is homing in on the differences / conflicts related to politics, so when I hear "government / politics" is the problem, I'm always interested in what we would do in place of government / politics.
Well, I don't think we really want to 'replace' government/politics, although with the current state of affairs, I could actually see a revolution of sorts. There are several things we could modify which might help lots:
1. Term limits would greatly reduce the entrenched nature of politicians who no longer, and sometimes never did actually represent US. Term limits should be the same for congress as for the president, but probably on alternating periods to provide continuity and limit collusion between congress and the executive branches.
2. Salaries for politicians should be reduced to private market levels, and established somehow by law instead of the politicians setting their own. A salary increase could not be applied to any member currently in office. 3. Congressional sessions should be firmly established and of limited duration by the constitution, returning to the original concept where politicians traveled temporarily to Washington to meet and make law and then left town.
4. Members of congress should be required to be in personal attendance for all congressional sessions. All campaigning should occur outside established sessions and be of limited duration.
5. Presidential nominations should be required to be received by congress at least 60 days before end of session. Such nominations must be acted upon before the session ends, otherwise assumed to be confirmed.
6. Supreme Court terms should be limited instead of lifetime appointments. All federal judgeships should be subject to recall by the public at any federal election.
7. Proposed legislation should be required to be voted up/down/back to committee within 90 days of being introduced. Any legislation not acted upon during the current session would be assumed to have not been proposed.
8. Any state which fails to enforce existing federal law, or which allows its subdivisions to fail to enforce such existing federal law shall be ineligible for any federal funds except Social Security, and shall have it's elected representatives banned from congress for the duration of such failure.
Now, as I pointed earlier, I'd never survive in politics! But I was really good at fixing bugs in software...
Rick
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November 15, 2018 at 2:38 pm
FunkyDexter - Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:48 AMIf the question is "Should a woman have the right to dress however she wants?", my answer is a hearty Hell Yes. But if the question is "Should this woman put on hot pants and a crop top and walk through the seediest part of town late at night?", well then I'm going to say it's not a good idea.
Sadly, you are right. There are, as you call it, seedy parts in some towns that are not safe. Not for women in hot pants, and not for me in an ugly Christmas swaeter.
I consider that a sign of failur of human society. It's not something that can be easily fixed, but if it ever gets fixed it'll have to come from government / politics.
But for the context of this discussion, I'll do whatever I can to ensure that places such as PASS Summit, or this forum, never degenerate into the level of, again quoting you, the seediest part of town. I hope all of us can be better than that.
I think that's the right answer. I must say I do find it interesting that we continue to choose venues which commonly are known for their, well , seedy parts of town (and said seedy parts are marketed as one of the reasons to go visit said towns). I have no doubt that large venues aren't always easy to find without the accompanying seedy parts; that said - hoping to avoid out of control behavior in a city literal built to cater to exactly that type of behavior feels a bit like bringing Liquor to an AA meeting.
In any case- more related to the original topic, from reading the background, the real challenge for any Code of Conducts is in balance. Leaving the politics aside, just trying to balance the many different opinions as to even scope of what behavior you intend to govern seems, well, mind-boggling.
It's a hard task, but a worthy one, and I am encouraged to see thoughtful folks such as yourself and Steve trying to keep the right line in place, set the correct tone and keep it safe for all.
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November 16, 2018 at 12:52 pm
Closing this thread as it has gotten off topic and a little out of hand. My apologies for not doing this sooner.
If you wish to discuss politics or anything else politely, you are welcome to start a thread in the "Anything Not AboutSQL" forum.
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