June 4, 2005 at 1:19 pm
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June 6, 2005 at 12:40 pm
Sushila,
Nice job. This topic has been kicked around quite a bit at my workplace over the past several years. Unfortunately, executive management feels like they can't control us if they can't see us, and so far has a strict prohibition on working from home. This is a shame I think, and I believe they would see an increase in productivity from us if they changed their policy. I would estimate that if permitted, I could work from home at least 2 to 3 days per week with no negative impact on my projects. It's unfortunate that we've gone from a project based to a task based workforce and I put the blame for this squarely on the shoulders of upper management.
Computer World recently published their annual 'Top 100 Places to Work in IT' (my comany wasn't in there ) and they found that the top three concerns of IT workers were training, technology, and flexible scheduling.
Recently my group was asked to send feed back regarding an employee survey held last year and one of my team mates sent the following example in an effort to promote telecommuting and flex scheduling:
Quote:
"This is the Federal Government's plan (my mother works for EPA) :
25% of staff have off every other Friday
25% of staff have off every other Monday
25% of staff have off every other Friday (next weekend)
25% of staff have off every other Monday (next weekend)
Everyone works 8 nine-hour days, 1 eight-hour day per two-week period.
Benefits -
-10% decrease in commuting time/costs
-Fewer cars on the road
-Less fuel consumed
-Very little impact to company -Fewer unscheduled personal leave days
-Every other weekend is a 3-day weekend
-Abililty to focus without interruption on project-oriented work
Potential benefits of telecommuting -
-Fewer PC's needed - equipment could be shared by I.S. employees who telecommute at different times
-Less cubicle/parking garage space needed
-With VONAGE VOIP residential phone service, long-distance and phone-forwarding costs disappear
-Dramatically lower gasoline/automobile/Insurance costs, saving employees thousands of dollars per year"
All are interesting points and potential benefits. And many of these same benefits could be realized if employees were permitted to work from home. Yet management still doesn't get it. Hopefully articles like yours and the positive impacts on companies that have implemented telecommuting will make others eventually see the light.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
June 21, 2005 at 2:33 am
Brilliant!!
The downsides to telecommuting are that you become the invisible employee (See Steve's editorial 21st June 2005) and there is less emotional baggage in firing/downsizing an invisible employee.
There is definitely a social aspect to work. Although I can and do work alone for protracted periods of time I also enjoy bouncing ideas off my colleagues as a way of problem solving. This is something that would be lost if a telecomuted.
The gas/petrol thing is something huge. In the UK petrol is now over £4 / gallon and during a commute I can expect 30mpg. Cost per mile of running a vehicle is £0.45 so more than £10K (US$18K) is swallowed up in commuting. The UK government wants to introduce charge per mile tax of £1.34 for rush hour so personal transport is going to become VERY expensive.
I am not in the position of having a home office and with 3 small kids I would say that the chances of my getting one any time soon is effectively nil. If I could install a wireless network in my garden shed next to my home brew then all would be well
June 21, 2005 at 2:39 am
I have been telecommuting for over a year now and totally agree with all the comments in the article.
One of the other benifits not mentioned in the article is flexible hours. Being a production DBA I have to apply patches and other fixes outside of normal working hours. Being able to do this at home is a lot easier than having to struggle into the office overnight.
June 21, 2005 at 5:47 am
Great article. I have been telecommuting as a DBA for almost 3 years now. It is so wonderful. Like this morning - I woke up early at 5:15 and started working. It allows me more time with my kids becuase I don't have the commute time of 1 hour each way. I also have to do many tasks in the evenings and telecommuting allows me to do that and not resent have to work additional hours. Our telecommuters probably put in 10 hours a week more than our employees that don't telecommute. I get so much more done at my home office. We do go into the office for 2 days a week (minimum of 10 hours) which keeps us somewhat from being invisible. To me - it is the best of both worlds.
PS - you asked about the areas - I live in Tulsa, OK which is for the most part very conservative. We too were suprised when we got to telecommute. It was initialy due to a limited amount of office space and they were needing offices. We did it on a trial basis and paved the way for other departments. Now we have multiple departments telecommuting.
June 21, 2005 at 6:34 am
When I took this job I was told I would be able to telecommute a few days each month. Well, they say to get everything in writing... Actually, I do work from home a lot, but it is after I have already worked at the office all day, to implement changes that can not be implemented during production hours. I also work right next to two very loud managers who are on speakerphone, cussing, and making weird sinus noises all day. It is very hard to concentrate. I really love my job, but it would be so much better to be able to avoid the office at least one day a week.
Kathi
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June 21, 2005 at 6:43 am
I have been teleworking fulltime as a DBA for 6 years based in the north of England (UK). I would never willingly work in an office again. It doesn't work for every one though, a colleague who was initially very happy teleworking found he no longer liked the set up after a couple of years. He said he felt isolated. For me, the only slight disadvantage is that it remains tempting to work too many hours. A lot depends on the culture of the organisation and your immediate team. Teleworking was encouraged by my employer and is now no longer seen as out of the ordinary. I am in regular contact with colleagues via the phone, Emails and IM. IM makes a big difference. As others have said when you have to work anti-social hours, doing it from home makes it less onerous.
Being able to work flexible hours is great but I only use this occaisonally as I found I needed to maintain the seperation between work and home. I typically work regular hours. I have a room set aside as my "office" and when I close the door behind me I know I've left "the office" behind.
I am no longer on call 24/7 so I don't answer my business phone out of normal hours. Having a seperate business line is a distinct advantage. I wouldn't work from home without one.
June 21, 2005 at 7:52 am
My fear in askig for telecomuting is the following: If I can do my job from home, then why can't they just let a dba in India do my job? If I am not in the office, does it make a difference where "my" job is located?
June 21, 2005 at 8:01 am
Is there any fear of being less involved in the decesion making process as a tele? It always seems in a conference call the discussions after the call is usually where decesions are made. I cannot let networking toss all of my mdf and ldf on the c:\ drive while I am not there to smack them around.
June 21, 2005 at 8:31 am
I have been a telecommuting DBA for the past 8 years, employed by a New York based firm while living/working in Orlando Florida and I am very grateful to have had this opportunity. As a few people have mentioned, there are a few negatives to working from home, the most notable being the feeling of isolation at times. But this can be minimized if a schedule of weekly status meetings and a Team approach to handling issues is adhered too. Good communication with coworkers and clients has been the key for me personally. Instant messaging is invaluable.
Many of the positives have already been mentioned so I wouldn’t go into them but I wanted to reiterate that for me personally the positives have out weighed the negatives many times over.
I think telecommuting is a wonderful thing whose time has come. If done correctly, with the appropriate checks and balances in place, it can be a win-win for employer and employee. I believe that companies that are slow to implement some form of telecommuting as a policy, with eventually loose their best and brightest in the years to come.
June 21, 2005 at 8:52 am
The reason why telecommuting (inspite of all its' very serious advantages) is still not the norm nationally - leave alone globally is because employers have a very great fear of losing control over their workforce - despite every single evidence and statistic to the contrary employers still firmly believe that the "invisible" employee (re:Steve's editorial) is not as productive as the visible one.
That would be one of your major advantages over an Indian DBA counterpart (assuming you live in the U.S) :
1) Location still matters in the telecommuting world - most of the teleworkers I know come in to the office at least once a week - where distance doesn't matter is usually in the case of someone very senior and trustworthy!
2) My manager used to (in the initial weeks) call at random hours just to check and make sure that I answered the phone and that I was where I said I would be - with the time difference between the U.S and Asian countries "checking on an employee" becomes a very difficult task.
3) 9/11 - there've been so many changes in so many ways after this day - one of them is that the Federal (more than State) government contracts have increased a hundredfold and most of these come with the minimum requirement that the employee be a U.S citizen (most require a secret clearance and up...) !
4) One of the drawbacks that most teleworkers have groused about is that when working from home the clock never stops ticking so they put in at least a few more (productive I may add) hours than their office going colleagues - now (strangely enough) - the employers are always happy with this complaint! <;-)
5) Lastly, I would come full circle back to "earning trust" - with me (as with most others) - the beginning is usually - "why don't we try it for a couple of weeks/months" and if it doesn't work out, we can always revert back to the 9 to 5 office routine - this arrangement is usually only when the employee is "local" and not separated by oceans.
Telecommuting is still in its' infancy and it's going to be some time before it becomes as practiced as a raging fad!
It is also not for everybody (it does require a LOT of discipline) and not everyones' work situation is suited for it.
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June 21, 2005 at 11:25 am
Good article. I'm glad it works for you. My current employer is about to start experimenting with it as our headquarters gets compressed into a single building. My issues when I used to telecommute were
1) reduction in networking with other professionals in and out of the company (important with layoffs ever near)
2) loss of visibility to people besides my boss who still have an impact on my review/career (I don't blame my boss for this - it is a skill to be developed like any other)
3) my significant other could not accept the idea that just because I am home does not mean I am always interruptible.
Larry
Larry
June 22, 2005 at 9:15 am
Kelly - thanks for sharing the location - so if Tulsa is going from "for the most part very conservative" to trials successful enough to motivate other departments that's great news indeed!
Kathi - "weird sinus noises" just cracked me up! I wonder if we've been sharing the same managers unbenownst to us ?!?!
David - I feel for you - but your home brew should pull you out of the dumps so there's at least that to drown your sorrows in!
"my significant other could not accept the idea that just because I am home does not mean I am always interruptible" - Larry - REASON with her...women are very receptive to reasoning and logic - it has long been classified as one of their strong(er) suits!
Adrian - I'm with you on the "win-win" - now, if only the companies would recognise its' worth!
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June 22, 2005 at 12:05 pm
I've been telecommuniting for 5 years now as a database consultant (developer). My corporate office is in San Jose, but I live in KY. From time to time I need to travel to work with clients, get some training, participate in design sessions (which are easier in person), or conduct a rollout.
Lately, even many of these tasks have been fully remote. For the last two projects, I never saw any of the clients. We spoke on the phone, they FTPd their databases and applications, I developed them remotely and used WebEx or Microsoft Placeware to demo the product (rapid application development mostly) and once complete, I bundled up the files and scripts and FTPd them back to the client. In some cases their IT group took it from there, in others I conducted the entire rollout via remote control.
As for my company, I'm a lot cheaper being remote. The only equipment I require is a laptop, and the rest I supply. I get reimbursed for my business line and they provide a partial reimbursement for broadband and cell phone charges. Being an IT guy I rarely need any help from my corporate IT. They just mail me CDs from time to time and I install the things here.
Many of the other benefits were mentioned in the article or by other responders, so I won't restate them. However, one that wasn't emphasized was the employee loyalty. I have a pretty sweet setup. I make a decent San Jose salary while paying a Mid-West cost of living. I never commute. I work my own hours and unlike many respondents, I'm not tied to the 8-5 at all. I frequently work 10-6 or 12-8 etc. I also frequently work 4 hours one day and 12 the next. As long as I hit my deliverables and attend meetings that I've agreed to, everyone is happy. During light times (haven't seen these in a while) I can take a few hours off and play with my girls. During busy times (these have been very common lately) I can put in overtime easily. My boss relies on me letting her know when I need more work or when I'm getting overloaded.
With all the benefits, how likely am I to leave the company? It would take an unbelievably great opportunity to pull me away. I have turned down jobs making $10-20k more that would require me to go into the office. It's just not worth it to me. Other people in my department have left for companies willing to pay only slightly more than they were making. Replacing an employee in my department takes about 8 months. 2 months to find them and then 6 months to train them. Of the employees who have left the company willingly, only one was a telecommuter -- and she left for another telecommuting position.
Telecommuting doesn't work for every position, but for ones that it does work for, it's a wonderful thing -- both for the employee and the company.
Best of luck to those looking to become telecommuters.
June 22, 2005 at 12:13 pm
You're right about that loyalty!
I made the mistake of submitting an article to the company newsletter about the +s of telecommuting where I said that I would take a telecommuting offer over a payraise any day - I haven't seen a payraise since that article (2 years ago...) but I haven't left the company either...!
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