October 8, 2008 at 5:07 am
When SQL determines that there is not enough memory to store a table variable in memory, it is written to tempdb instead. When is this decision made? Is it after the table grows to large for the available memory, which causes SQL to shift gears and move the table, or is the determination made at execution plan time? And if this happens on a regular basis, how can you find out? Where do you look to see that this event occurs? And does it make sense, if this change to tempdb happens most of the time, to instead issue DDL statements to create the temp table in tempdb in the first place?
Similarly, is there a penalty to using a CTE if the resultset is too large for memory? And would a DDL-defined temp table be the better choice?
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October 8, 2008 at 5:31 am
The decision is not made during the generation of the execution plan. It can only be made while data is being added to your table variable. If you do not often put too much data into your table variable, the overhead of the database engine deciding to spill over to TempDB is not too bad. However, remember that you can index temp tables, so if you have significant amounts of records, it may be better to just use a temp table.
If you are really in need of asking these questions, you should test the code both ways. It will be the only way to verify the best solution in your particular situation.
As for CTE's - they don't actually cache data. Excluding recursive CTE's, a CTE is handled by the optimizer exactly the same way a sub-query would be. It really gets translated into it's base tables. If you reference the same CTE multiple times in your query, the engine does not cache the data and re-use it. It does exactly what it would have done if you simply typed the same sub-query in multiple times.
October 8, 2008 at 5:37 am
Michael,
Thanks for the reply. I can see that testing is the only sure-fire method to compare the performance, but there must be some indication that the switch from memory to tempdb has been made. I've inherited support for this application, notorious for its poor performance, and I'm trying to get my arms around all the targets of opportunity to determine where to strike next. That is why I want to determine if the switch to tempdb is happening before dedicating time that I can use in other tuning methods.
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October 8, 2008 at 5:51 am
While it is running, look for tables in tempdb:
SELECT * FROM TempDB..Sysobjects WHERE Type = 'u'
A table variable usually has to get pretty big before it spills over into TempDB.
October 8, 2008 at 7:45 am
If you're using table variables that are more than a few rows in size, switch them to temp tables. Except for a primary key, table variables have not statistics where as temp tables do. This means that they are treated as one row tables for all execution plans, which can lead to some seriously bad performance.
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October 9, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Grant Fritchey (10/8/2008)
If you're using table variables that are more than a few rows in size, switch them to temp tables. Except for a primary key, table variables have not statistics where as temp tables do. This means that they are treated as one row tables for all execution plans, which can lead to some seriously bad performance.
Also, if joining the table variable to other tables - especially large tables - switch to temp table, EVEN IF the number of rows in the table variable is small. The lack of stats in the table variable can lead to a suboptimal plan for the join query.
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October 9, 2008 at 4:26 pm
G Bryant McClellan (10/8/2008)
Michael,Thanks for the reply. I can see that testing is the only sure-fire method to compare the performance, but there must be some indication that the switch from memory to tempdb has been made. I've inherited support for this application, notorious for its poor performance, and I'm trying to get my arms around all the targets of opportunity to determine where to strike next. That is why I want to determine if the switch to tempdb is happening before dedicating time that I can use in other tuning methods.
Ummm.... both table variables and temp tables start out in memory and "jump" to TempDB when they overcome some point in memory. If your table variables are large enough where you are concerned that they are spooling out to TempDB, then you should probably be using temp tables instead.
For many more reasons than that (especially ease of troubleshooting), the only place where I'll use a table variable is in a UDF... and then only because I can't use a temp table there.
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October 9, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Michael Earl (10/8/2008)
While it is running, look for tables in tempdb:SELECT * FROM TempDB..Sysobjects WHERE Type = 'u'
A table variable usually has to get pretty big before it spills over into TempDB.
Actually, so does a Temp Table. 🙂
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October 10, 2008 at 2:46 am
Michael Earl (10/8/2008)
While it is running, look for tables in tempdb:SELECT * FROM TempDB..Sysobjects WHERE Type = 'u'
Temp tables and table variables are added to the TempDB system tables when they're created, not when they spill to disk.
Easy to demonstrate (run on a server without other usage, so other people's temp tables don't mess up the test)
DECLARE @BatchStart DATETIME
SET @BatchStart = GETDATE()
DECLARE @test1 TABLE (id int)
CREATE TABLE #Test2 (id int)
SELECT * FROM TempDB.sys.tables where create_date >= @BatchStart
DROP TABLE #Test2
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October 10, 2008 at 2:51 am
Grant Fritchey (10/8/2008)
Except for a primary key, table variables have not statistics where as temp tables do. This means that they are treated as one row tables for all execution plans, which can lead to some seriously bad performance.
Even the PK of a table var doesn't keep stats. Run the below code with the exec plan on and look at the estimated and actual rows on the index seek. When run in master on my server, I get Estimated rows 1, actual rows 191
DECLARE @test-2 TABLE (
id INT IDENTITY PRIMARY KEY,
name VARCHAR(50)
)
INSERT INTO @test-2 (name)
SELECT name FROM sys.columns
SELECT * from @test-2 WHERE id between 10 and 200
Gail Shaw
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October 10, 2008 at 5:24 am
That is something I was curious about but never pursued. Thanks for the info.
So then, would you say, there's pretty much no reason to ever use a table variable (except, as Jeff says, in UDF's where you have to)?
I've been recommending against them for years, but that seems to take away the last vestige of redemption.
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October 10, 2008 at 6:56 am
They have uses. The main one for me is error/progress logging in procs. If all that you're doing to a table var is inserting and then selecting the entire table without joins, the bad stats isn't a problem because the plan's simple, and avoiding having pieces of the proc recompiling just because the logging table's had a couple rows added to it is good.
Also, because they don't take part in transactions they will keep any logged rows even if the tran is rolled back.
Gail Shaw
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October 10, 2008 at 8:12 am
GilaMonster (10/10/2008)
...Also, because they don't take part in transactions they will keep any logged rows even if the tran is rolled back.
Another use of table variables - from Gail's last point: in audit triggers where it is required that insertions be audited even if txn is rolled back.
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October 11, 2008 at 11:20 am
Except for things like what Marios pointed out, I avoid table variables like the plague not only because of their "single record" execution plan, but because they are also more difficult when troubleshooting.
Remember the "old" days when if you wanted to see what was in an array, you had to write a bit of code into what you were testing on so you could see it's contents? Same goes with table variables because the don't persist in SMS at the end of a run. You also can't start the run part way if the table variable was populated above where you're trying to troubleshoot. With Temp Tables, you can because they persist.
Some will be shocked and mortified at what I'm about to say, but even if I find that a temp table causes a large batch job to be several seconds slower (which hardly ever happens... it's usually the other way around), I'll still use Temp Tables over table variables just for that reason... ease of troubleshooting when "under the gun". 🙂
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October 12, 2008 at 7:06 am
In my experience, the table variable flushes to disk when approx two pages has been filled.
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