April 10, 2009 at 6:17 am
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 10, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
April 10, 2009 at 2:10 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
Heh... don't give me that, Steve... at least I didn't call you a "butcher". The way you dish things out, you should have a much thicker skin. 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
You know Steve, when you start calling people names, it really reflects on your character (or in this case apparent lack of). You are only damaging your own credibility, not ours.
April 10, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
You know Steve, when you start calling people names, it really reflects on your character (or in this case apparent lack of). You are only damaging your own credibility, not ours.
The butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker! You telling me Grimm's Fairy Tales is R rated. I was just being playful. Hey guys lighten up. Think split not spit 🙂
best,
steve
April 10, 2009 at 3:12 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspx
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
You know Steve, when you start calling people names, it really reflects on your character (or in this case apparent lack of). You are only damaging your own credibility, not ours.
The butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker! You telling me Grimm's Fairy Tales is R rated. I was just being playful. Hey guys lighten up. Think split not spit 🙂
best,
steve
Deflecting doesn't make it any better. Try being a little more professional in your communications. You, unfortunately, haven't earned the right to use less formal forms of communication with some of us.
April 10, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Just a note to say I'll be addressing some interesting responses from the discontinued thread:T-Sql rant
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic675554-8-1.aspxtxtPost_CommentEmoticon(':-D');
Some of the responses were thoughtful and interesting, especially from Matt "The Dragon" Miller, Jeff "The Butcher" Moden and Sir "WildThing" Sergiy.
I'll be backkk! 🙂
steve,
Heh... you must really like pork chops, Steve. Let us know when you've written your own perfect true RDBMS engine.
There you go again you old fart 🙂 There's no need to be defensive. The barbarians are not at the gate. So take the frost off the pumpkin. Don't mistake head candy for bricks. I'm just going to thru out some ideas that I hope you and other sql practitioners find playful. Things you can have fun with. A lot of the gallery seems to take their que(s) from you. So what doya say, cut me some slack jack 🙂 Sql mavens love to play in their own way. That's where I'm coming from. No ones asking you to take a ditch, nor dig one. So how bout you drop the chop 🙂
best,
steve
Heh... don't give me that, Steve... at least I didn't call you a "butcher". The way you dish things out, you should have a much thicker skin. 😉
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Sql users have sensibilities
That I don't wish to imbue.
Besides who throws pork chops, a doctor? 🙂 You don't really want to make this just about being skin deep do you? 🙂
best,
steve
April 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Steve,
You just don't get it, do you? You really need to drop the cutesy talk and try being more professional in your communications. I really enjoy "playing" with other technologies, but based on your own behaviour I just want nothing to do with Dataphor at this time.
Why? Look at your communications in this thread and The Rant. More than enough reason for me to discount most of what you have said to date.
April 10, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Steve, anything about THE MATTER?
If you did not notice it's kinda professional forum.
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April 10, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/10/2009)
Steve,You just don't get it, do you? You really need to drop the cutesy talk and try being more professional in your communications. I really enjoy "playing" with other technologies, but based on your own behaviour I just want nothing to do with Dataphor at this time.
Why? Look at your communications in this thread and The Rant. More than enough reason for me to discount most of what you have said to date.
Lets not be so quick to drop what you call 'cutesy' 🙂 Do you realize that for over thirty years the relationship between the sqland and relationaland can be categorized by one word - 'Failure'. Failure to communicate in any sensible way because there's been nothing except antagonism and ill will. Where the blood is bad there's little that can come out good. Relationaland has essentially proffered a scorched earth attitude. In plain english it has espoused that sql sucks. It's divorced from relational theory, its declarative syntax is a mess and the concept of 'fixing it' is without sense. Can you spell Fabian Pascal or Hugh Darwen. Sql has been hammered from one end of ddl to the other end of dml. And with the coldest logic and without mercy. And what really has this accomplished? How's total alienation for starters. Who in their right mind wants to be told, in no uncertain terms, they don't know squat about the basis of their profession. That their nothing but a bunch of pretenders! Certainly there must be other avenues to explore so as to present some new ideas that are rather abstract to begin with to sql users. And that they'll be receptive to. Perhaps if you can open a window of playfulness and curiosity logic will follow 🙂 You can lead a horse to water but you can't make'em drink. So what the hell, try chocolate milk 🙂
best,
steve
April 10, 2009 at 6:48 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)[hrThe butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker! You telling me Grimm's Fairy Tales is R rated. I was just being playful. Hey guys lighten up. Think split not spit 🙂
I'll lighten up right after you stop putting tags on my name...
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 10, 2009 at 6:59 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Do you realize that for over thirty years the relationship between the sqland and relationaland can be categorized by one word - 'Failure'.
Yep... you've told us many times. So stop using SQL and go away. Spend some time doing something about your complaint instead of just yakkin to a bunch of folks who can't do anything about it.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 10, 2009 at 8:33 pm
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Lynn Pettis (4/10/2009)
Steve,You just don't get it, do you? You really need to drop the cutesy talk and try being more professional in your communications. I really enjoy "playing" with other technologies, but based on your own behaviour I just want nothing to do with Dataphor at this time.
Why? Look at your communications in this thread and The Rant. More than enough reason for me to discount most of what you have said to date.
Lets not be so quick to drop what you call 'cutesy' 🙂 Do you realize that for over thirty years the relationship between the sqland and relationaland can be categorized by one word - 'Failure'. Failure to communicate in any sensible way because there's been nothing except antagonism and ill will. Where the blood is bad there's little that can come out good. Relationaland has essentially proffered a scorched earth attitude. In plain english it has espoused that sql sucks. It's divorced from relational theory, its declarative syntax is a mess and the concept of 'fixing it' is without sense. Can you spell Fabian Pascal or Hugh Darwen. Sql has been hammered from one end of ddl to the other end of dml. And with the coldest logic and without mercy. And what really has this accomplished? How's total alienation for starters. Who in their right mind wants to be told, in no uncertain terms, they don't know squat about the basis of their profession. That their nothing but a bunch of pretenders! Certainly there must be other avenues to explore so as to present some new ideas that are rather abstract to begin with to sql users. And that they'll be receptive to. Perhaps if you can open a window of playfulness and curiosity logic will follow 🙂 You can lead a horse to water but you can't make'em drink. So what the hell, try chocolate milk 🙂
best,
steve
Here is the problem, as I see it. You are all talk and no action. You have yet to put forward anything of substance. You continue to use in appropriate language for a professional forum and to be honest, you are losing the opportuninty to make any kind of headway in convincing anyone that you even have a viable alternate to MS SQL Server, Oracle, Informix, DB2, MySQL, PostreSQL, InterBase, Firebird, or any of the other various SQL Server systems that are available. In fact, I can't seem to find any commercial ventures using Dataphor. So, at this point, you either put up something definative, or just go away.
April 10, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Do you realize that for over thirty years the relationship between the sqland and relationaland can be categorized by one word - 'Failure'.Yep... you've told us many times. So stop using SQL and go away. Spend some time doing something about your complaint instead of just yakkin to a bunch of folks who can't do anything about it.
So you're better at moving queries than mountains. Didn't Mrs. Magilicuty tell you its never too late to make a difference? I'm not even making you read between the lines.I'm spelling it out for you. My attitude doesn't warrant your hostility. Why repeat the continued Failure?
April 11, 2009 at 1:46 am
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/10/2009)
steve dassin (4/10/2009)
Do you realize that for over thirty years the relationship between the sqland and relationaland can be categorized by one word - 'Failure'.Yep... you've told us many times. So stop using SQL and go away. Spend some time doing something about your complaint instead of just yakkin to a bunch of folks who can't do anything about it.
So you're better at moving queries than mountains. Didn't Mrs. Magilicuty tell you its never too late to make a difference? I'm not even making you read between the lines.I'm spelling it out for you. My attitude doesn't warrant your hostility. Why repeat the continued Failure?
Heh... listen to the pot calling the kettle black about hostility. 😉
I personally don't give a rat's patooti if SQL is relational or not. Your arguments and griping do nothing here. Take it to Microsoft, if you have the nerve.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
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