March 14, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Comments posted to this topic are about the item SQL Server on Linux
March 15, 2016 at 3:08 am
We been here before, admittedly 20 years ago and SQL Server ran on the proper Unixs like Solaris.
I do wonder if it will be enough to persuade those who are anti Microsoft to adopt.
March 15, 2016 at 5:08 am
I doubt any "anti" collective will be interested as rarely is the basis for their position based totally on facts as much as a mix of facts with an inherent belief that what they oppose is "wrong" (with no sane definition of what they believe "wrong" is). We find this in fanbois and fangrrrls of all persuasions.
I have personally met many IT professionals who would like to consider SQL Server as it is deemed a RDBMS worthy of consideration however its costs are often deemed prohibitive due to the additional requirement (over its competitors) of OS licenses.
At this rate I may have to pick up Linux again. It's been over a decade now!!! [Please no "I have made time to get [distro X] running and so should everyone else" comments]
Gaz
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March 15, 2016 at 5:20 am
I used Unix years ago, but never got into Lunix. It'll be very interesting to see how the implement this. SQL Server is so integrated with the Windows, I'm curious about how they're going to integrate SQL with a different OS. I also wonder what flavors of Linux they'll support.
And Gary's probably right - the anti-MS collective probably won't be swayed. It seems that they have this deep-seeded emotional attachment to MS-bashing.
March 15, 2016 at 5:59 am
My first (well second) thought when I saw the announcement was MS was pulling a *long* running April Fools gag...
My third thought was that my old boss (a serious FOSS zealot) would be crowing in his office and making plans to migrate as many of the clients' servers that use SQL as possible. Had the wife ask one of the guys I used to work with (she works at the company) if he'd heard about this, which he had, and what the old boss might've said...
Apparently my old boss still subscribes to the M$ evil empire, embrace / extend / extinguish view of MS, as he was of the opinion that MS would be releasing a stripped down, over-priced, you want all the features buy Windows version of SQL.
Frankly, I think that's the least likely outcome of this, as anything other than a nearly feature-complete SQL would be shooting themselves in the foot. There may be bits that aren't in the first release, but I would expect MS to be pushing hard to get SQL2016 (Linux) to feature parity with SQL2016 (Windows.) It's just business sense. Linux has a fairly solid grip on many server environments, so if MS wants to expand their installed base (and increase their bottom line,) they're going to need a competitive product, not "SQL 2016 Express Edition for Linux, that'll be $700 for the license please." I'd expect MS will keep the pricing similar to the current products, as they're most likely aiming at the Oracle installs on Linux...
March 15, 2016 at 6:21 am
jasona.work (3/15/2016)
Frankly, I think that's the least likely outcome of this, as anything other than a nearly feature-complete SQL would be shooting themselves in the foot. There may be bits that aren't in the first release, but I would expect MS to be pushing hard to get SQL2016 (Linux) to feature parity with SQL2016 (Windows.) It's just business sense. Linux has a fairly solid grip on many server environments, so if MS wants to expand their installed base (and increase their bottom line,) they're going to need a competitive product, not "SQL 2016 Express Edition for Linux, that'll be $700 for the license please." I'd expect MS will keep the pricing similar to the current products, as they're most likely aiming at the Oracle installs on Linux...
I agree with a stripped-down version being a bad idea. Another bad idea is software installed on a local server that access Azure for you, but no data is stored locally. It'll *very* interesting to see how this plays out.
March 15, 2016 at 6:29 am
I think this makes a lot of sense when you consider the direction of .NET. Microsoft has done a lot of work to bring .NET to Linux with a commitment to make ASP.NET vNext work across the platforms.
Once you realize that Microsoft has moved past the "protect Windows" stage, their moves make complete sense. It also plays into their shift from selling software to renting it.
March 15, 2016 at 6:31 am
Of course, it won't be independent of the operating system. DB2 on Windows and on Linux is very different from DB2 on z/OS (mainframe). The O/S will have an impact on the DBMS -- for good or for ill. It is an exciting time for database professionals.
March 15, 2016 at 6:39 am
Ed Wagner (3/15/2016)
the anti-MS collective probably won't be swayed. It seems that they have this deep-seeded emotional attachment to MS-bashing.
Just like in politics, that will never change.
March 15, 2016 at 7:33 am
Interesting, so is this a move to try to take market share from MySQL? MS is already beating Oracle in the licensing department so it doesn't seem like this would be aimed at Oracle and part of the attractiveness of a LAMP setup right now is no licensing costs at all.
And what exactly are we going to be getting? Just the bare bones DB engine or will it come with the package SSIS/SSRS/SSAS? And are they going to be releasing linux versions of the tools as well? Is it going to support integration with an AD environment etc?
March 15, 2016 at 7:54 am
For years, folks have been using Linux servers as a VM host for running instances of Windows / SQL Server. At least for these customers, Windows is an uncessary OS abstraction layer that costs additional overhead and licensing.
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March 15, 2016 at 8:33 am
ZZartin (3/15/2016)
Interesting, so is this a move to try to take market share from MySQL?
Oracle I'd imagine, more than MySQL, especially if you look at their 'free licenses if you move from Oracle' offer. Though, if there's an express edition of SQL Server for Linux, that might be usable in place of MySQL for many smaller DBs.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
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March 15, 2016 at 8:35 am
jasona.work (3/15/2016)
he was of the opinion that MS would be releasing a stripped down, over-priced, you want all the features buy Windows version of SQL.
I don't understand why people would think that. SQL's always been the 'everything in the box' DB engine.
Had one guy on twitter stating that 'obviously' SQL Server on Linux would have no CLR and no T-SQL stored procedure support. Say what?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
March 15, 2016 at 9:13 am
I also wonder how the technical hurdles would be accomplished as over the years SQL Server as been so tightly integrated with Windows that many of the services for SQL Server are handled by Windows. Oracle was always written as a platform agnostic DB and is one of the reasons for its complexity. I wonder if SQL Server would have to follow suit to also be platform agnostic.
Personally, I think this opens up a world of possibilities and would enable SQL Server to be more competitive and fit more scenarios. I just wonder if it's too good to be true...
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March 15, 2016 at 9:29 am
MS CEO Satya Nadella seems to be moving Microsoft towards a product company, regardless of OS. Years ago, when Steve Jobs met with Bill Gates to help save Apple, a big part of the pitch was that MS was a product company, not an OS company. So we started to have Office on the mac. And now Office for iOS and I think Android. And we have MS products in the cloud. Office 365, SQL Server, etc.
For all we know, SQL Server in the cloud is already running on Linux or Unix. I'd say it is a clear movement to focus on products, and less on OS. Windows just becomes one of many OS options where they can sell products. It all makes sense, and I'd say is the right move.
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