February 19, 2012 at 10:25 am
I've recently been embroiled in a long running and rather heated discussion outside of SQLServerCentral on the subject of SOPA and Censorship (in general) on the internet. Just to satisfy my curiosity (and, maybe the curiosity of others who may read this thread) on the subject, I ask that you take a couple of seconds to complete the simple survey I've made. Of course, if you'd like to go deeper into the subjects in the survey, I encourage you to post your thoughts in the "discussion", but I'm really looking for the simple answers provided by the survery.
This survey has 6 sections to it as indicated by the numbering of each question. I believe that I've worded the questions so there's the need for only one checkmark per section but do feel free to check as many items as you agree with. (A missing checkmark for question 2 will be interpreted as a "No" answer. I'd have set the answers for both but I'm limited to only 15 answers on this forum)
Thank you for your time, folks. I really appreciate it
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Gosh... I know it's Sunday (well, early Monday now by my watch) but with more than 24 views, I hope more than 4 people take the poll.
Thanks, folks.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 19, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Jeff Moden (2/19/2012)Gosh... I know it's Sunday (well, early Monday now by my watch) but with more than 24 views, I hope more than 4 people take the poll.
Thanks, folks.
I've said I wouldn't vote for it no matter what it said: that's basicly because I don't believe a sensible version is achievable - the MPAA and the US Chamber of Commerce will use their extensive support in Congress to scupper any sensible version; if anything sensibe did get into the wording, MPAA and chums will be supported by the justice department in manipulating the courts and stretching dodgy "evidence" to ensure that any shade of a sensible limitation imposed by the legislature will be ineffective in the courts. To believe otherwise is to be blinkered, to ignore the track record.
If I ever get around to starting a blog (maybe I won't - all the tuits over here seem to be square, not round) I will hope to pick a host who gives me a choice whether to moderate what other people post on it, ideally one which gives me the option of letting them moderate it for me, so that I can change from time to time between both the host and myself moderating, one of us moderating and not the other, and neither of us moderating. Ideally be able to have different moderation rules for posts from subscribed members (subscription verified by username and password) - that's probably people who have registered with the host, not people who have registered with the particular blog - and anonymous posts.
edit very late: somehow this post got overwritten by a different post. Fortunately I had this in another window so I'm putting it back (and the other post has gone where it belongs) (but I haven't fixed the quote tags)
Tom
February 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Thanks for the feeback and the participation, Tom. I've got a feeling that a whole lot of people just aren't interested.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 20, 2012 at 2:17 am
The same as Tom, I've said "You would have voted "NO" for SOPA no matter how it was written" because I don't believe there is a realistic chance of ever getting a sensible one.
I'm surprised by the lack of responses, amongst those I socialise with away from work it has been a fairly major talking point.
February 20, 2012 at 4:03 am
Jeez Jeff. Next time mark it URGENT or NEED HELP NOW. Then I'd be sure to ignore it.
By the way, as far as posting goes, I didn't set it up so that I had to approve posts, but I did set it up such that you have to supply a login of some type email & name in order to comment. I could switch that off too, but I wanted at least a small hurdle to reduce the spam.
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February 20, 2012 at 5:58 am
Cadavre (2/20/2012)
I'm surprised by the lack of responses, amongst those I socialise with away from work it has been a fairly major talking point.
Same here. Maybe folks on SSC are just burned out about it. Can't blame them since it's a non-issue for the time being.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 20, 2012 at 6:07 am
Grant Fritchey (2/20/2012)
Jeez Jeff. Next time mark it URGENT or NEED HELP NOW. Then I'd be sure to ignore it.By the way, as far as posting goes, I didn't set it up so that I had to approve posts, but I did set it up such that you have to supply a login of some type email & name in order to comment. I could switch that off too, but I wanted at least a small hurdle to reduce the spam.
I wish I could have had 16 questions so that I could have included that reason which is a damned good one IMHO.
No... it's not urgent. Considering all the brew-ha about SOPA, I was just amazed that (at the time) only 4 of a little over 20 people that viewed the post actually took the time to click a couple of boxes.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 20, 2012 at 6:34 am
Jeff Moden (2/19/2012)
Thanks for the feeback and the participation, Tom. I've got a feeling that a whole lot of people just aren't interested.
not uninterested - perhaps this is a US-centric issue at the moment? Perhaps a quick reminder of what is being proposed?
I have seen this mentioned in blogs but it has been very heavy on the verbiage of the american legal and government system and I for one got a bit lost and was not at all sure of the likelihood of the proposal ever coming about and if was just pandering to the masses and posturing?
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February 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm
george sibbald (2/20/2012)
Jeff Moden (2/19/2012)
Thanks for the feeback and the participation, Tom. I've got a feeling that a whole lot of people just aren't interested.not uninterested - perhaps this is a US-centric issue at the moment? Perhaps a quick reminder of what is being proposed?
I have seen this mentioned in blogs but it has been very heavy on the verbiage of the american legal and government system and I for one got a bit lost and was not at all sure of the likelihood of the proposal ever coming about and if was just pandering to the masses and posturing?
It's a very US-centric problem... that could affect every website in the world that relies on viewability by people in the US. Heh... 124 views and only 13 people took the poll. And I thought apathy for international current events only occured in the US.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 20, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Maybe there's a good reason why there are a lack of responses. Maybe the first question should have been:
Do you know what SOPA is?
I believe people get tired hearing all the rhetoric about laws being passed and ignore it for the most part.
//comment after posting....yes I know question 2 is: Did you read the SOPA? But you have to get through four questions about SOPA before you see that one. I initially saw the first couple and since I hadn't read the SOPA I had no clue how I would vote so I ignored the rest of the questions and carried on.
-SQLBill
February 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm
The questions are framed in a strange way to me, since my blog is mine, not shared.
I wouldn't have voted for a SOPA bill that looks to block sites or DNS changes at all. However I do think that we should allow for some IP/copyright protections.
What I'm not sure about is how to best handle copyright issues, while still maintaining fair use. I'm a supporter of both.
February 20, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/20/2012)
The questions are framed in a strange way to me, since my blog is mine, not shared.I wouldn't have voted for a SOPA bill that looks to block sites or DNS changes at all. However I do think that we should allow for some IP/copyright protections.
What I'm not sure about is how to best handle copyright issues, while still maintaining fair use. I'm a supporter of both.
Which was why I saw SOPA as a legislative disaster, no matter how they were to wordcraft it. With the tenuous definitions and complete lack of controls in the draft legislation, you could report someone, and they'd go out of business before they got past protesting the false claim. The principles are worth talking about, but our current framework of law is completely inadequate to handle this, and the people drafting these regs clearly have only the slightest understanding (inadequate to navigate the pitfalls involved.)
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Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part...unless you're my manager...or a director and above...or a really loud-spoken end-user..All right - what was my emergency again?
February 21, 2012 at 8:18 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/20/2012)
The questions are framed in a strange way to me, since my blog is mine, not shared.I wouldn't have voted for a SOPA bill that looks to block sites or DNS changes at all. However I do think that we should allow for some IP/copyright protections.
What I'm not sure about is how to best handle copyright issues, while still maintaining fair use. I'm a supporter of both.
Heh... if you think your blog is yours, tell me what would happen if your host changes 'the rules". 😉
I included the questions on the blogs for 2 reasons. One, of course, is to try and get a glimmer of what blog hosts practice when it comes to "censorship". The other is to get a glimmer of what people tend to practice for "censorship" in public.
Being one who has had several people copy my work and post it as if it were their own without an easy way for me to prevent it or have the post taken down, I was curious about the whole gambit. The discussions that I've been having with people outside of SSC seems to indicate that those people have two faces on the subjects like SOPA and wanted to see if that flip-flop attitude prevailed in a more public area. I say "two faces" because, like you Steve, I believe that something needs to be done about Copyright enforcement but I also believe that given the power to censor, a lot of people would abuse it.
Heh... one thing I've learned is that there's a whole lot more apathy on the subject than all the fanfare on by Google, WikiPedia, and folks on various forms of media would have you believe. Shifting gears a bit, I guess the people who wanted to push SOPA weren't willing to put their money where their mouth is. The only ads that I heard on the radio were against SOPA (I don't watch much TV). Because SOPA included websites pertaining to the copy-catting of certain very popular drug types, you'd think the drug companies would have spent a bit more on advertising support for SOPA.
Of course, then there's the stigma of SOPA being against the First Amendment of the US constitution and that's a potato that's probably way too hot for any drug company.
I find the whole subject very interesting even though it's supposed a dead issue for many reasons including how far people will go to either protect other's rights or deny them and the huge gray area inbetween. To over simplify, it's the old quandry about having the right to extend your arm or yelling "Fire".
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 21, 2012 at 8:52 am
As far as the apathy goes, most people are apathetic about almost all their basic rights. I'm pretty sure a healthy majority of people would be willing to sacrifice freedom for security, just based on the last 30 years of history. It is up to people who are more interested to raise the noise level when stuff like this appears. It's funny how much this crossed political lines, OWS people with small ell libertarians with huge conservatives. Everyone who pays attention got motivated. But you're right, it's still a very small percentage of people overall.
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