August 11, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Evil Kraig F (8/11/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
Learning and helping others is very important. I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer. When teaching classes I do not give students labs or tests with scripts that give the wrong results. I expect the same in other forums that are open to discussion.SanDroid, right or wrong in your analysis of the issue... a few things.
1) A difference between:
Microsoft Certified Trainer (Paid) and Red Cross Volunteer (Certified if doing training)
QOTD submitter: Unpaid, uncertified, and trying to simply be helpful.
2) A diatribe vs. a discussion
You're becoming an embarassment to the SQL Community if they come to these boards, at the level of CELKO. You're already a running joke. Any question that comes out here that has any slightly off item you go into full-on rant mode. On your resume, do you list '18th place in QOTD's on SQL Server'? No? Then back off. Present your point, sure, but if you think there's humor or interest in your belligerant attitude, there isn't. Put your e-peen back in your pants, there's better ways to make your point then being an ***.
3) Yes, you're right.
I'm not saying you're not. There was a mistake in the script. Yes, there are circumstances where 'it depends'. In general these questions aren't meant to be run, though the script is there so we can understand it. It's to show you the question and for your brain to answer it, not your computer. Sure, I've gone back and run the scripts after the fact too, to see what was going on. If it adds to your knowledge, the QOTD did what it was meant to. 10 points here or there WILL NOT MATTER when you're dead, stop giving yourself a heart attack. Bring it up, make your point, and (I don't believe I'm the one saying this) learn some tact.
It's getting to the point that people are actually worried about submitting QOTDs because of reactions like yours. Chill dude.
Good thing you changed to Evil Kraig F prior to posting this 😉
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August 11, 2011 at 5:04 pm
SQLRNNR (8/11/2011)
Good thing you changed to Evil Kraig F prior to posting this 😉
That Craig dude is my 'good twin'. Can't stand him. He's too nice.
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August 11, 2011 at 6:56 pm
SQLRNNR (8/11/2011)
Evil Kraig F (8/11/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
Learning and helping others is very important. I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer. When teaching classes I do not give students labs or tests with scripts that give the wrong results. I expect the same in other forums that are open to discussion.SanDroid, right or wrong in your analysis of the issue... a few things.
1) A difference between:
Microsoft Certified Trainer (Paid) and Red Cross Volunteer (Certified if doing training)
QOTD submitter: Unpaid, uncertified, and trying to simply be helpful.
2) A diatribe vs. a discussion
You're becoming an embarassment to the SQL Community if they come to these boards, at the level of CELKO. You're already a running joke. Any question that comes out here that has any slightly off item you go into full-on rant mode. On your resume, do you list '18th place in QOTD's on SQL Server'? No? Then back off. Present your point, sure, but if you think there's humor or interest in your belligerant attitude, there isn't. Put your e-peen back in your pants, there's better ways to make your point then being an ***.
3) Yes, you're right.
I'm not saying you're not. There was a mistake in the script. Yes, there are circumstances where 'it depends'. In general these questions aren't meant to be run, though the script is there so we can understand it. It's to show you the question and for your brain to answer it, not your computer. Sure, I've gone back and run the scripts after the fact too, to see what was going on. If it adds to your knowledge, the QOTD did what it was meant to. 10 points here or there WILL NOT MATTER when you're dead, stop giving yourself a heart attack. Bring it up, make your point, and (I don't believe I'm the one saying this) learn some tact.
It's getting to the point that people are actually worried about submitting QOTDs because of reactions like yours. Chill dude.
Good thing you changed to Evil Kraig F prior to posting this 😉
I have to agree. I don't think I'd have gotten away with this.
August 11, 2011 at 7:14 pm
SanDroid,
I haven't been as active on the forums this past year. I'm curious if you have tried submitting a QotD? If not, perhaps it's time to give it a try.
August 12, 2011 at 1:40 am
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
hakan.winther (8/11/2011)
SanDroid (8/10/2011)
hakan.winther (8/10/2011)
SanDroid (8/10/2011)
SQLRNNR (8/10/2011)
I think this is a great question.As would I if the error in the script did not cause the wrong result.
It seems incorrect to give a point to those that did NOT carefully read and understood what the script was doing.
But you got more points from complaining then answering the question!
I try to answer the question without testing the script to see if know the answer, (and to learn) and in this case i answered by experience and got the correct result.
FYI: Posting to the Forums does not give your points in the QOTD section. Posting to the Forums also does not affect your QOTD category averages. 😉
I used to only care about the overall score... but then someone pointed out that anybody can make a bunch of Forum posts that may or may not be correct.
You are right about the "importance" of the points, but personally I don't do it for the points or the right to brag about them. On the other hand, I am only at position 115 so my score doesn't show up on the score board. I do it to check my knowledge and to learn more.
I do care about the point that I earn by helping others at ask.sqlservercentral.com and I think that it is more important points because you really make a difference by helping others. And I think that it's worth bragging about, but maybe its because I am at the 10:th on the "reputation" board. 🙂
Learning and helping others is very important. I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer. When teaching classes I do not give students labs or tests with scripts that give the wrong results. I expect the same in other forums that are open to discussion.
Red Cross Volunteer! Thank you for helping the world to be a better place to live in.
/Håkan Winther
MCITP:Database Developer 2008
MCTS: SQL Server 2008, Implementation and Maintenance
MCSE: Data Platform
August 12, 2011 at 2:00 am
Evil Kraig F (8/11/2011)
It's getting to the point that people are actually worried about submitting QOTDs because of reactions like yours. Chill dude.
I'm not submitting any more. It's a fair bit of work to get a good question on a useful topic, with a well-written explanation and useful references and there's almost always someone whining that they read 'when' to mean 'sometime after' or similar.
Articles are more work, but at least I don't have to worry too much about english language nitpicking.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
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August 12, 2011 at 5:38 am
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer.
Wow. I'm a Red Cross Volunteer too. I teach swimming. But I'm a little confused. How does Red Cross Volunteering sync with SQL Server again?
Maybe I should write a QOTD with options for connecting the two... @=)
August 12, 2011 at 6:31 am
Evil Kraig F (8/11/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
Learning and helping others is very important. I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer. When teaching classes I do not give students labs or tests with scripts that give the wrong results. I expect the same in other forums that are open to discussion.SanDroid, right or wrong in your analysis of the issue... a few things.
1) A difference between:
Microsoft Certified Trainer (Paid) and Red Cross Volunteer (Certified if doing training)
QOTD submitter: Unpaid, uncertified, and trying to simply be helpful.
2) A diatribe vs. a discussion
You're becoming an embarassment to the SQL Community if they come to these boards, at the level of CELKO. You're already a running joke. Any question that comes out here that has any slightly off item you go into full-on rant mode. On your resume, do you list '18th place in QOTD's on SQL Server'? No? Then back off. Present your point, sure, but if you think there's humor or interest in your belligerant attitude, there isn't. Put your e-peen back in your pants, there's better ways to make your point then being an ***.
3) Yes, you're right.
I'm not saying you're not. There was a mistake in the script. Yes, there are circumstances where 'it depends'. In general these questions aren't meant to be run, though the script is there so we can understand it. It's to show you the question and for your brain to answer it, not your computer. Sure, I've gone back and run the scripts after the fact too, to see what was going on. If it adds to your knowledge, the QOTD did what it was meant to. 10 points here or there WILL NOT MATTER when you're dead, stop giving yourself a heart attack. Bring it up, make your point, and (I don't believe I'm the one saying this) learn some tact.
It's getting to the point that people are actually worried about submitting QOTDs because of reactions like yours. Chill dude.
And your attitude and Rant is why more people do not say anything at all.
What is the use of having an open forum or dicussion if the only thing anyone can post is "Nice question".
BTW: Your entire Rant about me ranting was longer than any post I made.
August 12, 2011 at 6:33 am
Lynn Pettis (8/11/2011)
SanDroid,I haven't been as active on the forums this past year. I'm curious if you have tried submitting a QotD? If not, perhaps it's time to give it a try.
I have. 😉
August 12, 2011 at 6:35 am
hakan.winther (8/12/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
hakan.winther (8/11/2011)
SanDroid (8/10/2011)
hakan.winther (8/10/2011)
SanDroid (8/10/2011)
SQLRNNR (8/10/2011)
I think this is a great question.As would I if the error in the script did not cause the wrong result.
It seems incorrect to give a point to those that did NOT carefully read and understood what the script was doing.
But you got more points from complaining then answering the question!
I try to answer the question without testing the script to see if know the answer, (and to learn) and in this case i answered by experience and got the correct result.
FYI: Posting to the Forums does not give your points in the QOTD section. Posting to the Forums also does not affect your QOTD category averages. 😉
I used to only care about the overall score... but then someone pointed out that anybody can make a bunch of Forum posts that may or may not be correct.
You are right about the "importance" of the points, but personally I don't do it for the points or the right to brag about them. On the other hand, I am only at position 115 so my score doesn't show up on the score board. I do it to check my knowledge and to learn more.
I do care about the point that I earn by helping others at ask.sqlservercentral.com and I think that it is more important points because you really make a difference by helping others. And I think that it's worth bragging about, but maybe its because I am at the 10:th on the "reputation" board. 🙂
Learning and helping others is very important. I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer. When teaching classes I do not give students labs or tests with scripts that give the wrong results. I expect the same in other forums that are open to discussion.
Red Cross Volunteer! Thank you for helping the world to be a better place to live in.
The point is, not of that matters. This discussion should be about the QOTD. If you want to discuss our feelings, lets meet somewhere and hold hands. 😎
August 12, 2011 at 6:41 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/12/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer.Wow. I'm a Red Cross Volunteer too. I teach swimming. But I'm a little confused. How does Red Cross Volunteering sync with SQL Server again?
Maybe I should write a QOTD with options for connecting the two... @=)
You are absolutely right. That was the point I was trying to Make with hakan.winther.
For me any post here is about the QOTD etc...
Anyone that thinks anything else is adding way to much emotion to the mix.
August 12, 2011 at 6:46 am
SanDroid (8/12/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (8/12/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer.Wow. I'm a Red Cross Volunteer too. I teach swimming. But I'm a little confused. How does Red Cross Volunteering sync with SQL Server again?
Maybe I should write a QOTD with options for connecting the two... @=)
You are absolutely right. That was the point I was trying to Make with hakan.winther.
Huh?
You're the one who brought up the connection. Why did you bring it up if you agree that they don't have anything to do with each other?
August 12, 2011 at 6:55 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/12/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer.Wow. I'm a Red Cross Volunteer too. I teach swimming. But I'm a little confused. How does Red Cross Volunteering sync with SQL Server again?
Maybe I should write a QOTD with options for connecting the two... @=)
Why Brandie, it's obviously the need for CPR after encountering such sloppy practices (especially those dratted c.u.r.s.o.r.s) :w00t:
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
August 12, 2011 at 6:56 am
You are absolutely right. That was the point I was trying to Make with hakan.winther.
For me any post here is about the QOTD etc...
Anyone that thinks anything else is adding way to much emotion to the mix.
You were the one who brought it up, and my point is that there are a lot of volunteers at this site and they get a lot of complaint from many like you, and soon no one will volunteer anymore because of the complaints. I wouldn't post a question at this site because of this complaints.
/Håkan Winther
MCITP:Database Developer 2008
MCTS: SQL Server 2008, Implementation and Maintenance
MCSE: Data Platform
August 12, 2011 at 7:02 am
WayneS (8/12/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (8/12/2011)
SanDroid (8/11/2011)
I am only a Microsoft Certified Trainer and Red Cross Volunteer.Wow. I'm a Red Cross Volunteer too. I teach swimming. But I'm a little confused. How does Red Cross Volunteering sync with SQL Server again?
Maybe I should write a QOTD with options for connecting the two... @=)
Why Brandie, it's obviously the need for CPR after encountering such sloppy practices (especially those dratted c.u.r.s.o.r.s) :w00t:
Nice one Wayne. LOL.. 😎
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