Senior MS SQL Server DBA , Alexandria, VA
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Hi David,
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I can only speak for myself and I would say I could be looking for both. There are some times when it would not be fair to bring along an inexperienced DBA into a position where you know the requirements are going to be demanding from day 1. Additionally there are times when you have the opportunity to bring someone in with a little experience or a good attitude and a teachable mind. I have seen both scenarios and have recommended the hiring of both types of people.agree, that there are both kinds of people. I was asking, because I'm sitting next to our job recruiting department. The typical employee here is assumed to need 3 years till he reaches his full potential and becomes most valuable for the company. Although that doesn't mean, they hire only rookies. On contrary, mostly they have that kind of expectations:
not older than 30 years
college degree (summa com laude preferred)
fluent in several foreign languages
at least 3 years of job experience
paid less than 40$k
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I'm sure you know what I mean...
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As for my commment about the lack of "experienced" SQL Server DBA's, this is just something that I have seen. There are people out there with experience but when you get down to the specifics, the skills are just not there. Not sure why. My guess is that many learn through Enterprise Manager and never learn the fundamentals of database administration, scripting, tuning, etc. Ultimately the tools are there to get them 80% and that is good enough for them. Maybe the ultimate issue is the lack of drive to understand the workings and the processing behind the engine, etc. I don't know.maybe I am wrong, but from my observations there aren't that much dedicated DBA's here wanted in Germany (at least from what I know of insurance companies). Of course, there are usually huge IT staffs and someone within is doing DBA, but not full time. I agree that it depends on the DBA himself what he
thinks is enough knowledge for him. But I do have a strong believe that if you stop learning you will replaced someday. Especially in such a dynamic area as IT is. When speaking for myself, I do not work in an area, where I have to dive deep into IT. Basic skill in Office would be enough, but I'm kind of mad about DBMS and programming since Access 2.0 and TurboC came out, and I want to learn more on DBMS than my full time job allows me to. I do believe that I can be a good fulltime DBA, if I decide to go that way. Not because of knowing all from the start, but because of a strong desire to know more and to find out why things work like they work.
I haven't mailed you directly, because I think although not the right topic, this is the right place to discuss also things like this.
Cheers,
Frank
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Frank Kalis
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This post is causing more stir than it should.
I had an interview awhile back with two Super Solid DBA's that almost perfectly matches the requirements mentioned. <Don’t know how I did..or Didn’t>If it is the same company (Good company) it will offer the candidate a great technical challenge in a high performance environment. I don’t see any “Tude” in the comments above they are not out to hang or trip anyone and if it’s the same people I talked with they were very professional and respectful they are certainly know what they want in a candidate. Since these guys are in an intensely active environment and have a unique need for the candidate be an active participant in the trenches with them I can’t fault them for being very selective in what they need in the current working environment they are in. I would tell you that if this is the same position I interviewed for any good DBA with the right skill set should consider applying for the position… Course I could have been a total MORON in the technical interview…who knows <laughs>
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