September 5, 2012 at 9:51 am
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majorbloodnock (9/5/2012)
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
Funny that people don't look at firearms that way today though do they? Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:-DWell, there's a question. I know there is a big difference between the UK and the US in perception of firearms, and as a Brit I can only really comment on attitudes over this side of the pond. However, you're right; no matter how a society views guns, it takes a person's finger to pull the trigger. If someone shows such a lack of restraint as to use a gun against someone else, they are quickly reacquainted with their responsibilities and to the due process of the law.
My point is that this rationale (or line of thought) tends to change or vary with alot of people depending on what "inanimate object" they are talking about at the time 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
September 5, 2012 at 10:01 am
Perhaps what we need at IT events are a couple of bouncers to escort folks out the door when they get too roudy.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
September 5, 2012 at 10:02 am
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
😀majorbloodnock (9/5/2012)
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
Funny that people don't look at firearms that way today though do they? Guns don't kill people, people kill people.:-DWell, there's a question. I know there is a big difference between the UK and the US in perception of firearms, and as a Brit I can only really comment on attitudes over this side of the pond. However, you're right; no matter how a society views guns, it takes a person's finger to pull the trigger. If someone shows such a lack of restraint as to use a gun against someone else, they are quickly reacquainted with their responsibilities and to the due process of the law.
My point is that this rationale tends to change with alot of people depending on what inanimate object you are talking about at the time 😀
I absolutely agree, and it's governed by what is "socially acceptable". Back in the 1970s, the prevailing attitude to drink driving was that everyone did it, that it wasn't really wrong and that anyone caught was just unlucky. These days, if, at a party, anyone sees you drinking and suspects you'll be driving afterwards, you're almost on a social par with the neighbourhood paedophile. General opinion has changed dramatically.
So how come, I wonder, is it seen as unacceptable to drink and drive, but acceptable to drink and molest? And how come drunken sexual harrassment is acceptable against women, but not against children? Says a lot for society, doesn't it, and not that pretty either. I hasten to add, of course, that these rhetorical questions aren't directed towards you, Travis; you just happened to provide an opening for me to air these musings.
Semper in excretia, suus solum profundum variat
September 5, 2012 at 10:04 am
Hey, here's an idea... let's post SS guards in the lobby while we're at it. 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
September 5, 2012 at 10:04 am
Eric M Russell (9/5/2012)
Perhaps what we need at IT events are a couple of bouncers to escort folks out the door when they get too roudy.
Succinct, practical and eminently sensible. Perhaps a few more than a couple at first, though.
Semper in excretia, suus solum profundum variat
September 5, 2012 at 10:05 am
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
Hey, here's an idea... let's post SS guards in the lobby while we're at it. 😀
SS or AA? 😀
(You do have Alcoholics Anonymous in the US, don't you? Showing my ignorance here....)
Semper in excretia, suus solum profundum variat
September 5, 2012 at 10:18 am
Hey...While we are at it lets give the lobby guards billy clubs so whenever the drunk pinches someone in wrong place they can just beat the living crap out of them and throw them out the back door. 😀
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
September 5, 2012 at 10:37 am
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
Hey...While we are at it lets give the lobby guards billy clubs so whenever the drunk pinches someone in wrong place they can just beat the living crap out of them and throw them out the back door. 😀
I don't think that fanny pinching is common at IT conferences, and see no need to talk down to the community in general. However, I'm sure it does happen occasionally. If there are attendees who get drunk and roudy, then they should be escorted out, so the rest of the folks can continue on with what they came there to do undisturbed.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
September 5, 2012 at 10:46 am
Two countries divided by the same language..... Sorry, Eric, but your last post doesn't translate well into UK English - or perhaps it translates all too topically for comfort. :blush:
Personally, I expect any public event to include some form of security within its organisation. Whether the security personnel fit the "bouncer" stereotype or not, it seems to me only sensible to have them around. I'd prefer they only deal with the enforcement of the rules, leaving judgement and punishment to the police and law courts where appropriate, but if someone's acting objectionably then why shouldn't they be pulled up about it?
Semper in excretia, suus solum profundum variat
September 5, 2012 at 10:48 am
Escorting drunk people out by non-law enforcemant or non-hotel security people that are not designated to do this in the first place, in other words (your words) "bouncers", I see as very problematic, as well as litiginous. Police as well as hotel security was present at Tailhook in 1991 and they did nothing to stop it. If they don't see it first hand they probably are not going to do anything. It was only after the media got a hold of it where people were held accountable.:-D
"Technology is a weird thing. It brings you great gifts with one hand, and it stabs you in the back with the other. ...:-D"
September 5, 2012 at 10:50 am
Hey, here's an idea... let's post SS guards in the lobby while we're at it.
Not funny. This is the troll behavior I said would happen in this thread.
September 5, 2012 at 10:53 am
WolforthJ (9/5/2012)
Hey, here's an idea... let's post SS guards in the lobby while we're at it.
Not funny. This is the troll behavior I said would happen in this thread.
Does this qualify as Godwin's law?
September 5, 2012 at 10:54 am
Scott D. Jacobson (9/5/2012)
WolforthJ (9/5/2012)
Hey, here's an idea... let's post SS guards in the lobby while we're at it.
Not funny. This is the troll behavior I said would happen in this thread.
Does this qualify as Godwin's law?
Yes.
Semper in excretia, suus solum profundum variat
September 5, 2012 at 11:02 am
Eric M Russell (9/5/2012)
TravisDBA (9/5/2012)
Hey...While we are at it lets give the lobby guards billy clubs so whenever the drunk pinches someone in wrong place they can just beat the living crap out of them and throw them out the back door. 😀I don't think that fanny pinching is common at IT conferences, and see no need to talk down to the community in general. However, I'm sure it does happen occasionally. If there are attendees who get drunk and roudy, then they should be escorted out, so the rest of the folks can continue on with what they came there to do undisturbed.
This forum is getting rediculous. I'm dropping off.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
September 5, 2012 at 11:23 am
"This is a male dominated industry, for now, but that doesn't excuse behavior like that talked about at DevCon. "
Its actually DEFCON and its pretty much a conference where bad behavior is not only tolerated, its openly institutionalized and in my opinion shouldn't be used as a platform for launching serious discussions about behavior in professional environments. I support DEFCON in the name of freedom of assembly but I'm not so stupid that I'm going to confuse it as a professional IT conference.
Rated thread 1 star, IHBT.
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