Raw Materials - The Decision
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Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
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CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
I like the comic and think that Ninja has it right. An ebook could possibly generate a lot of revenue.Congrats on the 10K / champion level. I can't wait to see how fast you'll pass me!
Thanks - not very many in that group. I don't think it will be anytime soon based on workload I see coming down the pipe.
Ya but I don't post anymore. I think I got like 3000 points in the 2+ years since I jumped ahead of Steve for the first 1 ever to 10K posts... I used to do that in 2-3 months when I was realllllly active here.
Give me a few years and I may join that club of people who have had more posts than steve - for now, I am nowhere close.
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Not to be a wet blanket, but I'm going to be a wet blanket.
The one thing no one in this discussion has considered is the licensing and rights issue. Who actually owns Raw Materials?
As a writer myself, I promise you that just because Larry was paid for the comic does NOT mean he signed over his rights. Then again, he may have. The contract between Larry and SCC (or RedGate or whomever) might actually not allow for e-books, posters, etc.
While it's great to make suggestions about this sort of thing, you can throw out numbers all day without them being remotely realistic. You're assuming a volume of purchases that you can't substantiate with previous data. As a writer, I know how it works. You get X number of people promising to purchase a product, but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, nada happens. Nothing sells. And there's a whole complicated legal wrangle to go through before you get to that point.
I think that these possibilities should definitely be explored. I'm just saying, don't be surprised if they're not acted upon because of all the work and money that would have to be expended first. Especially if the ONLY reason Raw Materials was contracted was to get more users to SCC.com and not to actually make money off it.
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CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
I like the comic and think that Ninja has it right. An ebook could possibly generate a lot of revenue.Congrats on the 10K / champion level. I can't wait to see how fast you'll pass me!
Thanks - not very many in that group. I don't think it will be anytime soon based on workload I see coming down the pipe.
Ya but I don't post anymore. I think I got like 3000 points in the 2+ years since I jumped ahead of Steve for the first 1 ever to 10K posts... I used to do that in 2-3 months when I was realllllly active here.
Give me a few years and I may join that club of people who have had more posts than steve - for now, I am nowhere close.
You'd need to bump up to 1K post a month average to reach him within 2 years... his full time job is to post here. That's why it's unlikely that he'll ever be passed as long has his job description doesn't change.
So that would make me the only one to ever reach that "goal" after 2005.
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Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/16/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (9/16/2010)
I like the comic and think that Ninja has it right. An ebook could possibly generate a lot of revenue.Congrats on the 10K / champion level. I can't wait to see how fast you'll pass me!
Thanks - not very many in that group. I don't think it will be anytime soon based on workload I see coming down the pipe.
Ya but I don't post anymore. I think I got like 3000 points in the 2+ years since I jumped ahead of Steve for the first 1 ever to 10K posts... I used to do that in 2-3 months when I was realllllly active here.
Give me a few years and I may join that club of people who have had more posts than steve - for now, I am nowhere close.
You'd need to bump up to 1K post a month average to reach him within 2 years... his full time job is to post here. That's why it's unlikely that he'll ever be passed as long has his job description doesn't change.
So that would make me the only one to ever reach that "goal" after 2005.
Uh yeah - ain't happening
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Brandie Tarvin (9/16/2010)
Not to be a wet blanket, but I'm going to be a wet blanket.The one thing no one in this discussion has considered is the licensing and rights issue. Who actually owns Raw Materials?
As a writer myself, I promise you that just because Larry was paid for the comic does NOT mean he signed over his rights. Then again, he may have. The contract between Larry and SCC (or RedGate or whomever) might actually not allow for e-books, posters, etc.
While it's great to make suggestions about this sort of thing, you can throw out numbers all day without them being remotely realistic. You're assuming a volume of purchases that you can't substantiate with previous data. As a writer, I know how it works. You get X number of people promising to purchase a product, but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, nada happens. Nothing sells. And there's a whole complicated legal wrangle to go through before you get to that point.
I think that these possibilities should definitely be explored. I'm just saying, don't be surprised if they're not acted upon because of all the work and money that would have to be expended first. Especially if the ONLY reason Raw Materials was contracted was to get more users to SCC.com and not to actually make money off it.
Thanks for the valuable info. Actually the "normal" ssc contract is exclusivity for 90-180 days (that was in my contract when I was working for RG on something that never saw the light of day). So that means the "normal" writer keeps the right and can republish.
Again it may mean nada since we'll never know the actual contract between Larry and Red Gate.
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Brandie Tarvin (9/16/2010)
Not to be a wet blanket, but I'm going to be a wet blanket.Especially if the ONLY reason Raw Materials was contracted was to get more users to SCC.com and not to actually make money off it.
Hmm, and what's the point of getting more users in SSC? Doesn't RG sell DBA soft?
Anyhow, no point in starting a war over this, we'll never see the actual contacts :hehe:.
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I love the comics as well. I don't read every article like I used to, but I do read the comic every time it is in the newsletter. As a matter of fact it is my first click when it is there.
It would be great if they continue, but as Bob said, I'm with SSC if they are here or not.
The only suggestion I'd make is to re-up the comics and make them viewable without joining SSC. I forwarded one to my boss once, not a DBA, and he couldn't read it and as a non-technical person he has no reason to join SSC.
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I like the comics. It would be a pity to lose them - maybe the Ninja's idea could be a flyer?
Tom
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There's always another option. I know a way for Larry to do this for free (SSC point of view) and still be paid for his work.
I won't post it publicly but that would work.
Steve, RG and Larry can always contact me about it.
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Jack Corbett (9/16/2010)
The only suggestion I'd make is to re-up the comics and make them viewable without joining SSC. I forwarded one to my boss once, not a DBA, and he couldn't read it and as a non-technical person he has no reason to join SSC.I have a few friends who I'll send them to from time to time. After getting grief about needing to sign up to view them, I started sending links to the same comic from the Simple-Talk site, or I'd just link directly to the image instead of the page (best way I've found to get them to users with crackberries).
-Luke.
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What about having readers (i.e., you guys and gals) pay a subscription fee for the comics themselves? Would it be worth $1 a week to you?
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Wow, 1.3 M readers @ 1$/week, I like that :w00t:.
Seriously, it's another good option.
The only option I reject is you stopping this series. Everything else is doable. :-).
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It's a shame Raw materials is about to be ripped from our daily relief.:crying:
Can't they just turn it into a flipover kalender (you know, this kind thing
)Many times, Raw Materials succeeded in putting stuff into perspective, so it would generate a little smile and make a good start of the day.
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I think it's interesting that the sheepization, I mean monetization proposals here were all based on making a tangible object, until I suggested a subscription model. People are so used to getting their bits for free! At this end, it's the same amount of work either way.
On the level of compensation, oh yeah, a million times a dollar a week sounds pretty good. Realistically, though, the strip gets about 3500 reads in its first couple of weeks (and then more accumulate as people click back, I assume). So if we posit 3000 hard-core fans, we have to ask what fraction of them would actually pay something to keep the strip alive. 10%? 20%? 50% 1%?
I might add that from my point of view, this is a very interesting discussion in a general sense, as it bears on how on earth creative people, er "content providers", can make a living from digital output. At present, the internet seems to want to be supported by advertising, which is different from some other publishing media, in particular books. Even cable TV is subsidized by subscriber fees. Magazines and newspapers have always ridden on the backs of their advertisers, though not entirely, since we all did use to pay for those paper objects too. Broadcast TV is all ads all the time.
Just this week I've been having an animated discussion with my agent about the ebook market. What should royalties be on an ebook when, after the cost of origination is recouped, there are no further costs (i.e., no printing, warehousing, or shipping). Could be exceedingly good for publishers if titles sell well! And authors too, if we can somehow persuade the publishers...
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gonickl (9/16/2010)
I think it's interesting that the sheepization, I mean monetization proposals here were all based on making a tangible object, until I suggested a subscription model. People are so used to getting their bits for free! At this end, it's the same amount of work either way.On the level of compensation, oh yeah, a million times a dollar a week sounds pretty good. Realistically, though, the strip gets about 3500 reads in its first couple of weeks (and then more accumulate as people click back, I assume). So if we posit 3000 hard-core fans, we have to ask what fraction of them would actually pay something to keep the strip alive. 10%? 20%? 50% 1%?
I might add that from my point of view, this is a very interesting discussion in a general sense, as it bears on how on earth creative people, er "content providers", can make a living from digital output. At present, the internet seems to want to be supported by advertising, which is different from some other publishing media, in particular books. Even cable TV is subsidized by subscriber fees. Magazines and newspapers have always ridden on the backs of their advertisers, though not entirely, since we all did use to pay for those paper objects too. Broadcast TV is all ads all the time.
Just this week I've been having an animated discussion with my agent about the ebook market. What should royalties be on an ebook when, after the cost of origination is recouped, there are no further costs (i.e., no printing, warehousing, or shipping). Could be exceedingly good for publishers if titles sell well! And authors too, if we can somehow persuade the publishers...
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