Question about indexes

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Question about indexes

Barry Ferrell

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September 6, 2006 at 12:09 pm

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if you have and index built on field 1 and field 2 in that order but when you join to the table that has the index, you join by referencing field 2 and then field 1, are you still using the index?

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Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 1

Assuming that the join is sargable then yes (not converting column data in the join). The optimiser is smart enough to figure the best path.

Jeffery Williams SSCertifiable Points: 6441 More actions · Answer 2

Interesting question actually. I never considered this.

When you say converting the data you are speaking of something like a cast, or convert; correct?

I have had cases, many times when I join tables, or perhaps it is just my WHERE clause and I get an index SCAN rather than SEEK. In some cases I have corrected this either by changing the JOIN (is: perhaps adding WITH (FIRTROWFAST) ) or some other means. Even in those cases I am unclear (most of the time) as to why or how I corrected the issue. I just know that I can try a select set of commands / hints and get a SEEK out of a scan.

I must say Indexes (while I feel that I understand them) are my weak point. That said; I guess do not understand them to the degree that I THINK that I do.

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Johan Bijnens SSC Guru Points: 135369 More actions · Answer 3

jut to add ...

when you build your query in Query Analyser, you can check out the execution plan. (exstimated /executed)

(Ctrl+L or Query/display exstimated execution plan)

(Ctrl+K or Query/Show execution plan)

This option is very educational.

With SQL2005 this is even better

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Jo Pattyn SSC-Dedicated Points: 32347 More actions · Answer 4

functions on columns that participate in the join can make the optimizer decide not to use an index (not sargeable)

like convert(varchar(10),mydate1,102)=convert(varchar(10),mydate1,102)

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 5

Or even something as subtile as having a varchar column joining to an nvarchar column can cause implicit_converts which can cause scans. This can be a big headache to find once the app is deployed .

Scott Bernardi SSChasing Mays Points: 630 More actions · Answer 6

I'm curious about the WITH (FIRTROWFAST). I searched help in SQL Server 2005 and google didn't get any hits. Is there a typo? WHat is this?

Johan Bijnens SSC Guru Points: 135369 More actions · Answer 7

implicit_converts will indeed messup things.

rule 1 for any RDBMS : tell the system what you know !

SQL2005 can generate nice xml-plans which show you implict conversions !

<

ScalarOperator ScalarString="[DMaterialManagement].[dbo].[T_Inspection].[SequenceNr]=CONVERT_IMPLICIT(numeric(18,0),[@xyzParam2],0) AND [DMaterialManagement].[dbo].[T_Inspection].[DaughterNr]=CONVERT_IMPLICIT(numeric(18,0),[@xyzParam3],0) AND CONVERT_IMPLICIT(nchar(8),[DMaterialManagement].[dbo].[T_Inspection].[CoilNumberMainframe],0)=[@xyzParam1]">

Whilst implict conversions are to be avoided, the conversion of a column to match a predicate will at least generate an indexscan (if the column is indexed) !

And the impact may be huge !!!

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Johan Bijnens SSC Guru Points: 135369 More actions · Answer 8

should be FASTFIRSTROW.

search for "table hints" in BOL

Johan

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Barry Ferrell SSC Journeyman Points: 80 More actions · Answer 9

Thank you all for replying. I really appreciate it.

Barry

Jeffery Williams SSCertifiable Points: 6441 More actions · Answer 10

Sorry, yes it is.

I should have typed FASTFIRSTROW

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Gift Peddie SSC Guru Points: 73570 More actions · Answer 11

It depends on the type of JOIN but it is covered in detail by Peter Gultuzan in the book below. Hope this helps.

http://www.amazon.com/SQL-Performance-Tuning/dp/0201791692

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Gift Peddie

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Gift Peddie