No predicate join work around

  • I have two tables. Table A has 2162 rows and table B has 101 rows. There isn't any join keys that I can join on these two tables. But I need everything from table B and only one column (Col1) from table A. It will result in a cross join and retruns 218362 (2162 * 101) rows, which is correct. But this takes about 30 seconds to complete. Any workaround to accomplish this? Optimizer shows no predicate joins on the Nested Loop and to me it is correct.

    Here is what I have so far.

    SELECT B.*, A.col1

    FROM TableB B

    LEFT JOIN TABLE A A

    ON 1 = 1

  • Why not do a select a.*,b.col1 from tableA a Cross join tableB b?

    How would a group of data in tableA relate to a group of data in table B?

    Give a simple example of data in tableA, tableB and show us what you want the results to look like.

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  • SQL_Surfer (10/8/2015)


    I have two tables. Table A has 2162 rows and table B has 101 rows. There isn't any join keys that I can join on these two tables. But I need everything from table B and only one column (Col1) from table A. It will result in a cross join and returns 218362 (2162 * 101) rows, which is correct.[/b] But this takes about 30 seconds to complete. Any workaround to accomplish this? Optimizer shows no predicate joins on the Nested Loop and to me it is correct.

    Here is what I have so far.

    SELECT B.*, A.col1

    FROM TableB B

    LEFT JOIN TABLE A A

    ON 1 = 1

    Write it as a CROSS JOIN. Examine the execution plan for tuning opportunities, which will be limited if you really do need all columns from TableB. Post the actual execution plan here if you are still unsure.

    “Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail Shaw

    For fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.
    Understanding and using APPLY, (I) and (II) Paul White
    Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop Jeff Moden

  • Writing it as a cross join and I've attached a SQL plan.

    There is no keys between these two tables that I could join on. But that is the intent. The larger table has CustomerNumber, and Smaller table has Product Information. I want each customer number from larger table to appear in all the result set of table B. Result is correct, just trying to see if there is anyway to speed it up.

  • Other than possibly a nonclustered index on B.NANUM, not really much you can do.

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  • ChrisM@Work (10/9/2015)


    SQL_Surfer (10/8/2015)


    I have two tables. Table A has 2162 rows and table B has 101 rows. There isn't any join keys that I can join on these two tables. But I need everything from table B and only one column (Col1) from table A. It will result in a cross join and returns 218362 (2162 * 101) rows, which is correct.[/b] But this takes about 30 seconds to complete. Any workaround to accomplish this? Optimizer shows no predicate joins on the Nested Loop and to me it is correct.

    Here is what I have so far.

    SELECT B.*, A.col1

    FROM TableB B

    LEFT JOIN TABLE A A

    ON 1 = 1

    Write it as a CROSS JOIN. Examine the execution plan for tuning opportunities, which will be limited if you really do need all columns from TableB. Post the actual execution plan here if you are still unsure.

    Other than ensuring the two temp tables contain only the columns you want for output, I don't see any way of optimising this - unless you specify an ORDER BY, which you haven't.

    “Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail Shaw

    For fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.
    Understanding and using APPLY, (I) and (II) Paul White
    Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop Jeff Moden

  • Is there a table which has both keys between productID and customerID?

    Me as an example will not have data against every product in your product table.

    I would maybe buy 1 or 2 things out of millions.

    If there is no Customer_Product table which links the 2 already then unholster the gun and do cross join.

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    Gail Shaw's Performance Blog[/url]

  • Since all of table "a" would seem to fit in a single page, flip the table order in the CROSS JOIN, i.e. FROM b CJ a rather than FROM a CJ b:

    SELECT a.*,b.NANUM

    FROM #tempSRONAM b

    CROSS JOIN #a a

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  • Cross join and outer join with no predicate are not the same. If there are no rows in one of the tables, cross join returns no rows.

  • CREATETABLE outertable (a INT);

    CREATETABLE innertable (b INT);

    INSERToutertable VALUES (1), (2);

    INSERTinnertable VALUES (10), (22), (30), (45);

    SELECTCOUNT(*) AS outer_join_outer_table_has_rows

    FROM (SELECT* FROM innertable LEFT JOIN outertable ON 1 = 1) AS t;

    SELECTCOUNT(*) AS cross_join_outer_table_has_rows

    FROM (SELECT* FROM innertable CROSS JOIN outertable) AS t;

    DELETEoutertable;

    SELECTCOUNT(*) AS outer_join_outer_table_no_rows

    FROM (SELECT* FROM innertable LEFT JOIN outertable ON 1 = 1) AS t;

    SELECTCOUNT(*) AS cross_join_outer_table_no_rows

    FROM (SELECT* FROM innertable CROSS JOIN outertable) AS t;

  • Just to explain that horrible SQL script in m previous, something on the network is sniffing SQL and won't let me send it out (HTTP reset). That one finally made it through.

    Anyway, add the obvious spaces back in and it's a script that demonstrates the difference between an outer join without a predicate and a cross join.

  • SQL_Surfer (10/8/2015)


    I have two tables. Table A has 2162 rows and table B has 101 rows. There isn't any join keys that I can join on these two tables. But I need everything from table B and only one column (Col1) from table A. It will result in a cross join and retruns 218362 (2162 * 101) rows, which is correct. But this takes about 30 seconds to complete. Any workaround to accomplish this? Optimizer shows no predicate joins on the Nested Loop and to me it is correct.

    Here is what I have so far.

    SELECT B.*, A.col1

    FROM TableB B

    LEFT JOIN TABLE A A

    ON 1 = 1

    30 seconds to complete... to complete what? A return to the screen? Are you actually going to use the query to return to the screen??? If so, who's going to read all 218,362 rows? That's the same as more than 2,700 typewritten pages using a 10 pt font.

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


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  • SQL_Surfer (10/8/2015)


    I have two tables. Table A has 2162 rows and table B has 101 rows. There isn't any join keys that I can join on these two tables. But I need everything from table B and only one column (Col1) from table A. It will result in a cross join and retruns 218362 (2162 * 101) rows, which is correct. But this takes about 30 seconds to complete. Any workaround to accomplish this? Optimizer shows no predicate joins on the Nested Loop and to me it is correct.

    Here is what I have so far.

    SELECT B.*, A.col1

    FROM TableB B

    LEFT JOIN TABLE A A

    ON 1 = 1

    Try adding an index on TABLEA.col1, just to see if the cross join operation will do an index scan instead of a full table scan.

    Also try changing the syntax to use an actual "CROSS JOIN" clause instead of "LEFT JOIN". It helps SQL Server construct a better execution plan if explicitly state what you're trying to do rather than tease it with something like "LEFT JOIN ... ON 1 = 1".

    "Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho

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