November 29, 2010 at 11:46 am
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Contracting usually tops out between $60-$75/hour (for the consultant via a consulting firm, corp to corp independents are a whole different set of rules)I bill $100/hour, and I'm sitting at the wrong end of a 7:1 exchange rate. Down here most of the big consulting companies have rates far higher than mine.
That $100 USD, or $100 South African? Either way, you're undercharging Gail.
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November 29, 2010 at 11:46 am
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November 29, 2010 at 11:47 am
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Contracting usually tops out between $60-$75/hour (for the consultant via a consulting firm, corp to corp independents are a whole different set of rules)I bill $100/hour, and I'm sitting at the wrong end of a 7:1 exchange rate. Down here most of the big consulting companies have rates far higher than mine.
Let me talk to my partner... but I'm pretty you're hired on the spot too :hehe:.
November 29, 2010 at 11:50 am
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (11/29/2010)
Ya but they're basically asking to hire a Joe Celko or Paul Randal and the likes. No way in hell they'll get a quy like that for 100K / year. I don't care how many perks.Also 250$/hour is not much if you provide that much value. I've often come in to new compagnies and solve 15 "huge" problems the first day I walked into the door that took them (3-4 guyes) months to not solve. Considering that case, 250$ is almost too cheap.
Nothing is too expansive if it provides equal or more value and that the recipient can make good use of it.
I would agree, but at that point you're hiring a specific person, not a generic request for people to work for you. You're hunting down a specific expert to come in, and you're buying that person's time, not looking for a position filler.
This isn't *one* position, he's hiring multiple, thus my commentary.
If he approached you, Gail, Grant, Wayne, Jeff, etc... no, I would say it was money well spent. Generic hiring request without more specifics? Nah.
Agreed, but don't ask for the moon without being ready to get in the shuttle and put the gaz in.
1 bazillion years of experience is going to cost you, period. We just happen to love sharing with people which makes useven stronger DBAs, but I'm sure you can find a few 100 other fabulous DBAs out there that match ours skills easily.
November 29, 2010 at 11:55 am
Ninja's_RGR'us (11/29/2010)
1 bazillion years of experience is going to cost you, period. We just happen to love sharing with people which makes useven stronger DBAs, but I'm sure you can find a few 100 other fabulous DBAs out there that match ours skills easily.
Perhaps, but they believe the prices above are 'paying for it'. They don't understand what they're asking, or they do and they're taking advantage of the market.
Most posititions like what's listed above ask for the world then take what they can afford. It's very easy to price yourself out of the market right now. I've done it a few times.
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November 29, 2010 at 11:59 am
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
ram 71135 (11/25/2010)
Qualifications and Education Requirements* Bachelor*s degree
* 8+ years Database Administration experience
* 8+ combined years experience in
Well that would rule me out (were it even possible for me to even think about a job in Chicago)
16+ years experience in SQL server databases? That means the person would have had to start with SQL in 1994. That's SQL 7 era. I was still in high school then.
creating and testing queries, stored procedures, triggers, load balancing, optimization, scalability and views, database and table replication, SSIS and DTS
Sounds like a list of buzz words. Why does the SQL DBA need to know about load balancing? SQL doesn't do load balancing, never has. (unless you roll something custom with replication or similar)
Wouldn't that be even before sql 7?
Assuming sql 8 came out in 2000, it's a bit hard to believe that sql 7 would have come 6-8 years before that.
November 29, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Ninja's_RGR'us (11/29/2010)
1 bazillion years of experience is going to cost you, period. We just happen to love sharing with people which makes useven stronger DBAs, but I'm sure you can find a few 100 other fabulous DBAs out there that match ours skills easily.Perhaps, but they believe the prices above are 'paying for it'. They don't understand what they're asking, or they do and they're taking advantage of the market.
Most posititions like what's listed above ask for the world then take what they can afford. It's very easy to price yourself out of the market right now. I've done it a few times.
I've never had the chance to price myself out of the market, but then again there seems to be a shortage of IT ressources around here. Also when I'm out of work I enjoy a nice sabatical :w00t:.
November 29, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Contracting usually tops out between $60-$75/hour (for the consultant via a consulting firm, corp to corp independents are a whole different set of rules)I bill $100/hour, and I'm sitting at the wrong end of a 7:1 exchange rate. Down here most of the big consulting companies have rates far higher than mine.
That $100 USD, or $100 South African? Either way, you're undercharging Gail.
USD. The South African currency is not $, it's R (Rands)
It's not a lot here, not for a semi-independent consultant.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
November 29, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Well, you can get by pretty damned well in the states at $100/hour, so perhaps it's time to look into grabbing a visa? 😀
Side bonus, better internet!
On a comment you made earlier, Gail. The fact that you're not out of High School in 1994 makes me both old and I have had way too varied of an employment list to have properly concentrated to keep up with you. 🙂
Well played, youngster. 😛
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November 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (11/29/2010)
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
Contracting usually tops out between $60-$75/hour (for the consultant via a consulting firm, corp to corp independents are a whole different set of rules)I bill $100/hour, and I'm sitting at the wrong end of a 7:1 exchange rate. Down here most of the big consulting companies have rates far higher than mine.
Let me talk to my partner... but I'm pretty you're hired on the spot too :hehe:.
Yup - hired
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November 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (11/29/2010)
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
ram 71135 (11/25/2010)
Qualifications and Education Requirements* Bachelor*s degree
* 8+ years Database Administration experience
* 8+ combined years experience in
Well that would rule me out (were it even possible for me to even think about a job in Chicago)
16+ years experience in SQL server databases? That means the person would have had to start with SQL in 1994. That's SQL 7 era. I was still in high school then.
creating and testing queries, stored procedures, triggers, load balancing, optimization, scalability and views, database and table replication, SSIS and DTS
Sounds like a list of buzz words. Why does the SQL DBA need to know about load balancing? SQL doesn't do load balancing, never has. (unless you roll something custom with replication or similar)
Wouldn't that be even before sql 7?
Assuming sql 8 came out in 2000, it's a bit hard to believe that sql 7 would have come 6-8 years before that.
6.0 and 6.5 both came out in 95.
That would be the Sybase era.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
Learn Extended Events
November 29, 2010 at 12:36 pm
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
That means the person would have had to start with SQL in 1994. That's SQL 7 era. I was still in high school then.
Nope, even earlier - pre 6.0!
But either way...Jeez, that means you're older than I thought you were. 🙁
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
November 29, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Craig Farrell (11/29/2010)
...If he approached you, Gail, Grant, Wayne, Jeff, etc... no, I would say it was money well spent. Generic hiring request without more specifics? Nah.
Looks like I've got the wool pulled over someone's eyes! 😀 :w00t::w00t:
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
November 29, 2010 at 12:47 pm
WayneS (11/29/2010)
But either way...Jeez, that means you're older than I thought you were. 🙁
Not quite sure how to take that. I'm 34 in a week and a day's time. 1994 was my final year of school.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
November 29, 2010 at 12:57 pm
GilaMonster (11/29/2010)
WayneS (11/29/2010)
But either way...Jeez, that means you're older than I thought you were. 🙁Not quite sure how to take that. I'm 34 in a week and a day's time. 1994 was my final year of school.
Well, 92 was my final year and Wayne is older than me. I would say it was probably meant in a good way.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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