April 20, 2010 at 10:53 am
Steve Jones - Editor (4/20/2010)
I'll post an announcement or two and see what I can get going.
Thanks.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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April 20, 2010 at 10:56 am
I think what would help is someone taking a stab at organizing this. There are a few areas that need work, for example: requirements, questions, testing process, review process, and more.
If we had some areas in which to focus people, then getting more would help. It would also be good to get some idea of what we are looking to accomplish here. I'll go through this thread again and try to write a one page summary that I'll post back in the next day or two. Then I can get some comments there. Actually I think I'll drop in a separate thread with MCJ at the beginning.
April 20, 2010 at 10:57 am
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
With Luke on board we are up to 5. Still need more to help spread out the work load.So, how are we going to coordinate what needs to be done if we get enough people (and how many is enough)?
I envision eight as being enough.
Coordination of work:
I think conference calls will need to take place. We first need to determine the scope of testing and how to proctor the testing. There would need to be a back-end database for scores and tracking of candidate information.
We could do like PASS does, come up with some tasks that we know need to be completed - then assign subcommittees to perform each of the tasks / subtasks.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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April 20, 2010 at 10:59 am
Steve Jones - Editor (4/20/2010)
I think what would help is someone taking a stab at organizing this. There are a few areas that need work, for example: requirements, questions, testing process, review process, and more.If we had some areas in which to focus people, then getting more would help. It would also be good to get some idea of what we are looking to accomplish here. I'll go through this thread again and try to write a one page summary that I'll post back in the next day or two. Then I can get some comments there. Actually I think I'll drop in a separate thread with MCJ at the beginning.
Since I had committed to reviewing the information and posting it on occasion - I could do that as well. I intended on posting it in a Blog post. I could post mine there, and then you could post a new thread - if you are ok with that.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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April 20, 2010 at 11:01 am
bah quote bug...
I think that would help. I had forgotten about this thread because the original "Missing Certification" thread had gone on without this one. Since I never subscribed to this one it took me a while to find it again. I think it was a link from Grant or Jason's blogs. I'm guessing the same thing has happened to others who were involved in that thread.
I find it surprising that dma only received 12 responses to the questionnaire. I though you guys (dma, Jason, perhaps others) were taking about putting it out to your user groups.
On where to host things about this cert as things move forward, we definately need a public and private area. No need to put beta copies of the tests and questions out to the public, but at the same time a public presence is needed to attract other volunteers/support etc.
April 20, 2010 at 11:02 am
I also suggest we keep the 'journeyman' and replace 'Microsoft Certified' with something else...like a 'SQL Server Journeyman' perhaps..one of the comments i got on the survey was that how can you call it MS certified if MS is not going to administer it, perhaps they will let PASS use that but we don't know for sure and don't want to create any wrong impressions.
April 20, 2010 at 11:05 am
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
I also suggest we keep the 'journeyman' and replace 'Microsoft Certified' with something else...like a 'SQL Server Journeyman' perhaps..one of the comments i got on the survey was that how can you call it MS certified if MS is not going to administer it, perhaps they will let PASS use that but we don't know for sure and don't want to create any wrong impressions.
Absolutely Correct.
We would not be permitted to use Microsoft in the naming convention if they will not sponsor it.
SQL Server Journeyman
SSC Journeyman 😉
Other naming ideas?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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April 20, 2010 at 11:10 am
CirquedeSQLeil (4/20/2010)
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
I also suggest we keep the 'journeyman' and replace 'Microsoft Certified' with something else...like a 'SQL Server Journeyman' perhaps..one of the comments i got on the survey was that how can you call it MS certified if MS is not going to administer it, perhaps they will let PASS use that but we don't know for sure and don't want to create any wrong impressions.Absolutely Correct.
We would not be permitted to use Microsoft in the naming convention if they will not sponsor it.
SQL Server Journeyman
SSC Journeyman 😉
Other naming ideas?
Definitely agree. We should probably get a working title that has no reference to either Pass or MS. You can always tack on their names at the beginning or end or change the title before final implementation.
On getting the word out, if we can get a good start on things perhaps someone could talk Adam Mechanic into devoting a Tsql Tuesday to it?
-Luke.
April 20, 2010 at 11:12 am
CirquedeSQLeil (4/20/2010)
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
I also suggest we keep the 'journeyman' and replace 'Microsoft Certified' with something else...like a 'SQL Server Journeyman' perhaps..one of the comments i got on the survey was that how can you call it MS certified if MS is not going to administer it, perhaps they will let PASS use that but we don't know for sure and don't want to create any wrong impressions.Absolutely Correct.
We would not be permitted to use Microsoft in the naming convention if they will not sponsor it.
SQL Server Journeyman
SSC Journeyman 😉
Other naming ideas?
I concur, if Microsoft isn't involved we probably should change the name from MCJ, however it is product specific so could we still call it Microsoft SQL Server Journeyman, MSSJ; or SQL Server Certified Journeyman, SSCJ?
April 20, 2010 at 11:16 am
Might as well multi-task the thread.
Focus areas:
T-SQL
Backup/Recovery
High Availability/Disaster Recovery (Business Continuity?)
SSIS
SSBS
SSRS
SSAS
With that as a start, how do we start breaking this down?
April 20, 2010 at 11:18 am
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
Might as well multi-task the thread.Focus areas:
T-SQL
Backup/Recovery
High Availability/Disaster Recovery (Business Continuity?)
SSIS
SSBS
SSRS
SSAS
With that as a start, how do we start breaking this down?
Performance Tuning
Execution Plans
Indexing
Where would these go?
April 20, 2010 at 11:20 am
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
Might as well multi-task the thread.Focus areas:
T-SQL
Backup/Recovery
High Availability/Disaster Recovery (Business Continuity?)
SSIS
SSBS
SSRS
SSAS
With that as a start, how do we start breaking this down?
Performance Tuning
Execution Plans
Indexing
Where would these go?
Okay, now I know I need to devote time to one of my articles that i'd like to sumbit to Grant for SQL Server Standard. This may take some time from thiss, but hopefully not too much.
April 20, 2010 at 11:22 am
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
Might as well multi-task the thread.Focus areas:
T-SQL
Backup/Recovery
High Availability/Disaster Recovery (Business Continuity?)
SSIS
SSBS
SSRS
SSAS
With that as a start, how do we start breaking this down?
Jeff said something about wanting to be involved right? Seems like a perfect person to head up the TSQL subcommittee?
Additionally I see Backup/Recovery and High Availability/Disaster Recovery (Business Continuity?) inextricably linked. I perhaps see them as subtopics for a higherlevel? you can't have DR without Backup and recovery. In many ways Backup/Recovery is the means to having HA and a good Disaster recovery plan.
-Luke.
April 20, 2010 at 11:24 am
Do we do a deep dive into the DMV's as well?
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