April 20, 2010 at 5:44 pm
CirquedeSQLeil (4/20/2010)
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
Have I gone too far too fast? Just had some intellectual juices flowing and thought I better put it down be fore I forgot things (I am getting old, the doctor told me so).This is good. I think anybody who has a flood of thoughts needs to spew them out so we can discuss.
I agree. I think that if you were to hold on until the appropriate topic came up, one (esp me:w00t:) would probably forget what it was.
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
April 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm
I'll check with Red Gate tomorrow. In terms of sponsorship, I think we can do something. Not sure we want to host it, but maybe we'll pay for something like this: http://www.fpweb.net/sharepoint-hosting/
A couple of other notes:
1. I think you need to separate out working documents/threads from discussions. A few of you have posted a few dozen times in an hour, and while it's good that you can debate things, it is intimidating for others trying to catch up. I think it would make sense to have a stable set of revisions that are summarized, perhaps weekly (v1.1, v1.2, etc.) and then a separate set of discussions for quick turnaround.
2. Don't try to be everything to everyone. Focus on something. I would vote for 2008, since that is the "current" technology in my mind. I don't know if I'd worry about R2, but that's something to vote on.
3. Expect to make mistakes. We can test some of this stuff out at UGs as well, maybe pulling them in on a point somewhere.
April 20, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (4/20/2010)
I'll check with Red Gate tomorrow. In terms of sponsorship, I think we can do something. Not sure we want to host it, but maybe we'll pay for something like this: http://www.fpweb.net/sharepoint-hosting/
That is a nice find Steve. Not sure how much the licensing cost will be for Sharepoint through that site. One consideration is that the site will only be made available after MS approves it.
A couple of other notes:
1. I think you need to separate out working documents/threads from discussions. A few of you have posted a few dozen times in an hour, and while it's good that you can debate things, it is intimidating for others trying to catch up. I think it would make sense to have a stable set of revisions that are summarized, perhaps weekly (v1.1, v1.2, etc.) and then a separate set of discussions for quick turnaround.
That will be made much easier with the implementation of a Sharepoint or Blog type of site
2. Don't try to be everything to everyone. Focus on something. I would vote for 2008, since that is the "current" technology in my mind. I don't know if I'd worry about R2, but that's something to vote on.
Good - sounds like a good direction.
3. Expect to make mistakes. We can test some of this stuff out at UGs as well, maybe pulling them in on a point somewhere.
Plenty of mistakes will happen.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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April 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm
I also can do a few hours per week. By my count, this should bring it up to 7?
I recently talked w/ Andy Leonard, and he was very interested in this. He also mentioned that he had written some (if not all) of the questions covering SSIS for the MCM. It would be great if we could tap into him.
Jason - excellent summary on your blog. I didn't even know that Steve and Jack had blogs about this also.
As far as a leader... Jason seems to be willing. If he is, I'd vote for him.
BTW, it's great to see the activity on this today! I had stopped checking this thread at work, and was very pleasantly surprised when I checked it tonight.
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
April 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm
WayneS (4/20/2010)
I also can do a few hours per week. By my count, this should bring it up to 7?
Thanks
I recently talked w/ Andy Leonard, and he was very interested in this. He also mentioned that he had written some (if not all) of the questions covering SSIS for the MCM. It would be great if we could tap into him.
That would be very useful - if he is willing. We would have to be very careful too though. We would not want a duplication of questions from the MCM to appear on this cert.
Jason - excellent summary on your blog. I didn't even know that Steve and Jack had blogs about this also.
Thanks
As far as a leader... Jason seems to be willing. If he is, I'd vote for him.
Err...Seems to be heading that way at least.
BTW, it's great to see the activity on this today! I had stopped checking this thread at work, and was very pleasantly surprised when I checked it tonight.
It does feel good to get this thing running again.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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April 20, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Sound advice Steve, am one of those compulsive bloggers, either write a lot or not at all. Yes definitely people have to catch up and respond. Yes we will make lot of mistakes.
Only one thought though, I am assuming we are expecting PASS to run this thing? Or anyone has other ideas? If that is true it is very important we check in on how much work has been done already or we are re inventing the wheel in some areas atleast. Or, putting it differentlly, if we get an okay atleast to run with our ideas and make a presentation to them that would be encouraging. Any ideas?
April 20, 2010 at 6:21 pm
CirquedeSQLeil (4/20/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (4/20/2010)
I'll check with Red Gate tomorrow. In terms of sponsorship, I think we can do something. Not sure we want to host it, but maybe we'll pay for something like this: http://www.fpweb.net/sharepoint-hosting/That is a nice find Steve. Not sure how much the licensing cost will be for Sharepoint through that site. One consideration is that the site will only be made available after MS approves it.
A couple of other notes:
1. I think you need to separate out working documents/threads from discussions. A few of you have posted a few dozen times in an hour, and while it's good that you can debate things, it is intimidating for others trying to catch up. I think it would make sense to have a stable set of revisions that are summarized, perhaps weekly (v1.1, v1.2, etc.) and then a separate set of discussions for quick turnaround.
That will be made much easier with the implementation of a Sharepoint or Blog type of site
I agree with both, and I think that SharePoint would be easier.
2. Don't try to be everything to everyone. Focus on something. I would vote for 2008, since that is the "current" technology in my mind. I don't know if I'd worry about R2, but that's something to vote on.
Good - sounds like a good direction.
It is a good direction, but I personally think we ought to support 2005 also. There are many places just upgrading to 2005, and people just don't have the experience with 2008 yet. Maybe we can support the current and previous 1 major edition (2008, 2005)? When 2011 (?) comes out, it would be that and 2008.
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
April 20, 2010 at 7:08 pm
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
Sound advice Steve, am one of those compulsive bloggers, either write a lot or not at all. Yes definitely people have to catch up and respond. Yes we will make lot of mistakes.Only one thought though, I am assuming we are expecting PASS to run this thing? Or anyone has other ideas? If that is true it is very important we check in on how much work has been done already or we are re inventing the wheel in some areas atleast. Or, putting it differentlly, if we get an okay atleast to run with our ideas and make a presentation to them that would be encouraging. Any ideas?
Yes, we would like for PASS to take this on. However, it needs to be presented to them as being near completion and at a break-even cost.
I don't know who we would contact to find out what if anything has transpired with PASS about certification. It would be good to check.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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April 20, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Will try to find out. Kevin was leading the effort and he is visiting in May, can talk to him in person or email him. I can't share though if it is confidential. I just think we need to pick up from where they left off or else it might be duplication of effort.
April 20, 2010 at 7:56 pm
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
Will try to find out. Kevin was leading the effort and he is visiting in May, can talk to him in person or email him. I can't share though if it is confidential. I just think we need to pick up from where they left off or else it might be duplication of effort.
And it is possible we are going in a different direction than they were as well. We need to start segmenting stuff a bit and getting it organized.
As to volunteers, Wayne said he could, makes it 7.
Jeff also indicated that he could help even though his dance card is fairly full. The expertise he mentioned in the referenced post will be highly valuable. And that is 8.
So, we have our team.
April 20, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/20/2010)
dma-669038 (4/20/2010)
Will try to find out. Kevin was leading the effort and he is visiting in May, can talk to him in person or email him. I can't share though if it is confidential. I just think we need to pick up from where they left off or else it might be duplication of effort.And it is possible we are going in a different direction than they were as well. We need to start segmenting stuff a bit and getting it organized.
As to volunteers, Wayne said he could, makes it 7.
Jeff also indicated that he could help even though his dance card is fairly full. The expertise he mentioned in the referenced post will be highly valuable. And that is 8.
So, we have our team.
Don't forget that if we could get assistance from Gail or Grant - we should.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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April 20, 2010 at 9:31 pm
I think PASS will need to back it at some point, but PASS is a volunteer organization, so it would be the same people here that would need it run it. PASS is overloaded.
One issue with PASS is that if they make it a profit center, that it becomes an issue with them as well.
April 20, 2010 at 9:33 pm
One other issue to consider is how do we decide what's on the test for new features? Who "becomes" the expert? The "who" can be a group, but how does the group become the "expert?"
April 20, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (4/20/2010)
One other issue to consider is how do we decide what's on the test for new features? Who "becomes" the expert? The "who" can be a group, but how does the group become the "expert?"
Sounds like the "who" will need to get in on the new releases as soon as possible, beta versions, CTP's. Means time outside their normal work.
My suggestion would be one or two people each take a piece and dig deep to learn as much as possible. A team may be better as they can ask each other questions and keep each ther on track.
April 21, 2010 at 2:34 pm
I have spoken with my boss, and in principle he thinks it's a good idea to help out here. Any preferences on what you're like in terms of a support site?
Some sharepoint site setup for, say 25 people?
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