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Gift Peddie SSC Guru Points: 73570 More actions · Answer 1

Personally, I don't care if you're black, white, yellow, red, brown, purple, male, female, something in between, have 3 eyes, or glow in the dark... if you can demonstrate some decent logical thinking, have a passion for your work, and a decent personality, then you're aces in my book.

If only it were that simple it is my experience that discriminatory practices generally protected the unskilled at the expense of the undesirables.

Kind regards,
Gift Peddie

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 2

Jeff Moden (4/7/2009)
Bob Hovious (4/7/2009)
But could someone please point me to the language where I suggested that there should be an official blacklist?
Specifically, you didn't. Grant mentioned it first and I carried it on because I'd like to make absolutely sure that such a list was never created and, heh.... for the very same reasons... not only do I think it's wrong, but I know that I'd end up on it because some folks get ticked even if you butter their bread for them.

Looking back on it, I believe the perception that you may have been in favor of a "Black List" and/or "Twit List" was because it figures prominately in the title of this thread.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398909 More actions · Answer 3

Jeff Moden (4/7/2009)
Bob Hovious (4/7/2009)
But could someone please point me to the language where I suggested that there should be an official blacklist?
Specifically, you didn't. Grant mentioned it first and I carried it on because I'd like to make absolutely sure that such a list was never created and, heh.... for the very same reasons... not only do I think it's wrong, but I know that I'd end up on it because some folks get ticked even if you butter their bread for them.

If I misinterpreted something, apologies.

It sure sounded like an outing list or something along those lines. I just didn't see a need for it. Again, if I misdirected or caused problems, I'm sorry.

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 4

Bob Hovious (4/7/2009)
Thanks, Jeff. I was feeling the same frustration I used to feel in arguments with my first wife when she would tell me what my opinion was and then be mad at me for having that opinion. 😛

You need to understand the rules of "she who must be obeyed... the given of pain". 😛

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 5

Gift Peddie (4/7/2009)
Personally, I don't care if you're black, white, yellow, red, brown, purple, male, female, something in between, have 3 eyes, or glow in the dark... if you can demonstrate some decent logical thinking, have a passion for your work, and a decent personality, then you're aces in my book.
If only it were that simple it is my experience that discriminatory practices generally protected the unskilled at the expense of the undesirables.

I absolutely agree... it's not simple. In my case, most younger folks (heh... they're all younger ,to me) want to know how "that old guy that looks like Santa Clause" could possibly know anything about computers, never mind databases. That's when I break out the high velocity pork chops and show them. 😉 It does involve a certain "technique" because you have to hit them right in the kisser with some awesome code without hurting their feelings. Very difficult to do if they're part of an internal "ring knockers" club.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 6

I'll apologize for the title then. I made it deliberately provocative to try to get some comments, so I'll take responsibility for people not realizing that what I was asking for was consideration of what appeared to me to be a kindler/gentler approach. I learn something new every day here, even if it isn't about SQL.

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Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Friedrich Schiller
Stop, children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down. -- Stephen Stills

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 7

Jeff Moden (4/7/2009)
I sometimes have a similar problem with age... most young folks look at my white beard and chuckle about what Santa Clause might know about databases.

Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 8

Wouldn't it be nice if competence were the sole criterion?

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Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Friedrich Schiller
Stop, children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down. -- Stephen Stills

Gift Peddie SSC Guru Points: 73570 More actions · Answer 9

It does involve a certain "technique" because you have to hit them right in the kisser with some awesome code without hurting their feelings. Very difficult to do if they're part of an internal "ring knockers" club.

That is very funny hey look at it this way I got the email to train for .NET when preparing for Sun Java certified professional exam and the then IBM pre Rational OOAD exam. So it was just a matter of swapping out platforms.

:Whistling:

Kind regards,
Gift Peddie

Gift Peddie SSC Guru Points: 73570 More actions · Answer 10

Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc

The US is not any better my experience here is still the same, VB code is run when I step into presentations one pesky problem I don't write VB.

Kind regards,
Gift Peddie

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736494 More actions · Answer 11

GilaMonster (4/7/2009)
Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc

That is until you've given them a black belt SQL lesson and a shodan toss across the mat 😛

Michael Valentine Jones SSC Guru Points: 64818 More actions · Answer 12

GilaMonster (4/7/2009)
Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc

Maybe it's time to go with the flow and become a clueless middle manager.

Come, come over to the dark side, and fulfill your destiny...

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 13

Steve Jones - Editor (4/7/2009)
GilaMonster (4/7/2009)
Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc
That is until you've given them a black belt SQL lesson and a shodan toss across the mat 😛

Heh... Gail is awesome in the high velocity pork chop arena, too! Real glad I've never ticked her off... or... maybe I have and she let me live through it. 😀

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 14

Bob Hovious (4/7/2009)
... kindler/gentler... I learn something new every day here, even if it isn't about SQL.

BWAA-HAAA!!! Me too! I just looked those two "new" words up. I thought they had something to do with tenderizing pork chops or something. :w00t::hehe:

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004412 More actions · Answer 15

GilaMonster (4/7/2009)
Jeff Moden (4/7/2009)
I sometimes have a similar problem with age... most young folks look at my white beard and chuckle about what Santa Clause might know about databases.
Similar thing here. In my country, woman and IT don't usually go in the same sentence. The number of times I've been 'mistaken' for the project manager, the token HR representative, the clueless middle manager, etc

Heh... right there with ya... at my old company, some dude asked me to take out the trash for him... thought I was the janitor. He sure was surprised when I picked him up out of his chair... asked me what the hell I thought I was doing. You just gotta know what my answer was. 😉

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)