How to Become MVP?

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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 1

Not saying. I have personal issues with anyone who,s only purpose in serving the community is self satisfaction. Doing so to earn MVP is exactly that. I don't know of any MVP that actually set out to become one.

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 2

Lynn Pettis (8/7/2011)
Not saying. I have personal issues with anyone who,s only purpose in serving the community is self satisfaction. Doing so to earn MVP is exactly that. I don't know of any MVP that actually set out to become one.

Perfect way to sum up the sentiment and thread. Only fitting it came from someone with Yoda's avatar :-).

@SQLFRNDZ SSCrazy Eights Points: 9095 More actions · Answer 3

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Speaking as one who had been nominated, this is not enough.

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I thought this forum or thread is to help some one that too regarding SQL server but not to put your own personal opinions Lynn.

I would not ask in this thread if I'm nominated to MVP.

More Over I concentrate on efforts not on the results and there is no point you can tell me how I'm speaking.

Any way you told me how I'm speaking so I should tell how you are speaking too. Don't assume as if you are Father of SQL Server.

Help if you are able to.

Sorry if I hurt you but you did the same

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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 4

@SQLFRNDZ (8/7/2011)
Speaking as one who had been nominated, this is not enough.
I thought this forum or thread is to help some one that too regarding SQL server but not to put your own personal opinions Lynn.
I would not ask in this thread if I'm nominated to MVP.
More Over I concentrate on efforts not on the results and there is no point you can tell me how I'm speaking.
Any way you told me how I'm speaking so I should tell how you are speaking too. Don't assume as if you are Father of SQL Server.
Help if you are able to.
Sorry if I hurt you but you did the same

I'm not hurt, nor was I trying to hurt you. I simply stated my opinion as an individual who (while very active in the SQL Server Community) was nominated to be a SQL Server MVP and not selected.

Part of that opinion was based on the following comment that you made:

@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
Craig Farrell (8/5/2011)
@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
Thank you for the information.
I was just posted this topic because I see this MVP tag on most sites and blogs of experts and I wonder why I shouldn't have that on my resume? not for pay but pride.
Thanks Gila
So, who are you?
Thanks Kraig and I will be an upcoming MVP in near future as I love to help people.

This comment regarding being an upcoming MVP in the near future tells me that everything you are doing (blogging, helping people solve problems, etc) is for the express purpose of attaining that status.

One, that is the wrong attitude for attaining that status. I don't know of any current MVPs that set out the the express purpose of attaining that status.

Second, if anyone (other than @SQLFRNDZ, since you have a personal stake in this) can show me that my interpretation of this statement is wrong, I'll apologize.

For me, just that someone thought I deserved the status of SQL Server MVP is honor enough. I choose to give back to this community because it is the right thing to do, not for the recognition it may get me. I have the that already from my peers, and that is more than enough for me.

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 5

I can say with 100% certainty that nobody is trying to hurt anybody nor discourage anybody from doing anything, especially when it comes to helping one another.

I say this with all the respect in the world @SQLFRNDZ, but it seems your english (both comprehension and writing) could use a little tune up.

I really believe you want to help people and one of the big barriers is language. If you don't understand what they need nor can't communicate the solution with great accuracy, you're going to have miscomunications regularly and in a stressful situation it sometimes escalate to "bad" situations.

I'm saying this to help you realize your dream, not to insult you or make you feel stupid in any way.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 6

@SQLFRNDZ (8/7/2011)
Speaking as one who had been nominated, this is not enough.
I thought this forum or thread is to help some one that too regarding SQL server but not to put your own personal opinions Lynn.
I would not ask in this thread if I'm nominated to MVP.
More Over I concentrate on efforts not on the results and there is no point you can tell me how I'm speaking.
Any way you told me how I'm speaking so I should tell how you are speaking too. Don't assume as if you are Father of SQL Server.
Help if you are able to.
Sorry if I hurt you but you did the same

BWAA-HAAA!!!... all Lynn did was tell you exactly what you asked for...

@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
Hello Experts,
I see lot of experts put on their blogs they are MVP's, I would like to know what things to be done to become a MVP.
I heard to become MVP, they should be active ob forums and blogs but Is there any certain measures they consider for a MVP?

He simply told you "this is not enough" and he knows it very well even if he doesn't know you. Lynn is affectionately known as "Saint Lynn" because of the apparent love he has for people. He has taken huge amounts of time in these and other forums to help anyone and everyone from the most ignorant-of-SQL newbies to the most foul mouthed and arrogant trolls these forums have ever seen.

If there's anyone on this forum you should be listening to the "personal opinions" of, it should be Lynn. Take the chip off your shoulder and learn from him. 😉

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

@SQLFRNDZ SSCrazy Eights Points: 9095 More actions · Answer 7

Thanks Jeff.

Thanks all for your great help.

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 8

@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
Craig Farrell (8/5/2011)
@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
Thank you for the information.
I was just posted this topic because I see this MVP tag on most sites and blogs of experts and I wonder why I shouldn't have that on my resume? not for pay but pride.
Thanks Gila
So, who are you?
Thanks Kraig and I will be an upcoming MVP in near future as I love to help people.

A good first step would be to take the time to type someone's name correctly even if you don't agree with them. 😉 Not an admonishment... just an observation. People take pride in what they do, as you do, and their name is the only connection to the world.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 9

@jeff

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Ninja's_RGR'us (8/5/2011)
Might I point out that using the right nickname is a good start with the basics.
~~kraig~~ Craig :Whistling:

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 10

@SQLFRNDZ (8/5/2011)
I heard to become MVP, they should be active ob forums and blogs but Is there any certain measures they consider for a MVP?

Ok... I probably shouldn't do this but let's get down to specifics. And, despite the citation of your code, this isn't a personal attack. It's a partial hint as to what must be done. Pretend that it wasn't you that wrote the code in the following post...

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1148424-392-1.aspx#bm1148663

Now... again, pretending that it wasn't you that wrote the code, do all of the necessary research necessary to identify everything that's wrong with that code and write it all down. Don't forget to write down the sources for possible acknowledgement in an article, if it comes to that. The sources may also be needed to backup any claims you make although you should develop demonstrable tests to support every position you take instead of relying on the dirt road known as the "Internet". 😛 Develop a test or tests to demonstrate why the code is wrong both programatically and performance wise. For example, how will your code react if the delimiter is the space character and some trailing spaces are intentionally added to the string to be split as place holders for missing elements? What happens if you intentionally have two adjacent delimiters to indicate that an element is missing? How WILL it perform against a very large row-set? What resources will it use and abuse? Are there better methods? Don't forget the hardest task of all... pretending there are no other methods other than a Scalar Function with a While Loop. As yourself what must be done to improve the performance of the While Loop because, even though I don't care to admit such things, sometimes a well written loop can actually beat a properly written spot of decent set based code and you have to know things like that.

Then, take what you learned, written down, coded and documented, and teach as many people as possible all of the things you've learned all while being prepared for someone to show you a better way and all while doing the next 20 projects on your own as well as continuing to help others on forums even on old subjects.

When you think you're doing a really good job, multiply your personal expectations by 2... every year... and expect and many times receive... absolutely nothing in return because that's not what any of this is really about. 😛

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 11

Ninja's_RGR'us (8/7/2011)
@Jeff
:Whistling::arrow:
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/5/2011)
Might I point out that using the right nickname is a good start with the basics.
~~kraig~~ Craig :Whistling:

So you don't think it was important enough to mention again? 😉

To be honest, I hadn't scrolled up that far to see it, Remi. Even if I had, I'd still have said something about it.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 12

Jeff Moden (8/7/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/7/2011)
@Jeff
:Whistling::arrow:
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/5/2011)
Might I point out that using the right nickname is a good start with the basics.
~~kraig~~ Craig :Whistling:
So you don't think it was important enough to mention again? 😉
To be honest, I hadn't scrolled up that far to see it, Remi. Even if I had, I'd still have said something about it.

I know it was well worth pointing, hence my repointing :-D.

P.S. I also like to have fun with and when people tell me to read the full thread and then forget to do the same themselves.

Yes I still love you, jsut think this is funny as h3ll. 😛

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 13

Gosh... sorry Remi. If I've told you to read the full thread in the past, I'm sure sorry about that. It's not always possible to have the time to read the full thread and, as you've seen in the past, haven't my self.

Heh... now, quit bustin' my chops and get back to work! 😀

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Ninja's_RGR'us SSC Guru Points: 294069 More actions · Answer 14

Jeff Moden (8/7/2011)
Gosh... sorry Remi. If I've told you to read the full thread in the past, I'm sure sorry about that. It's not always possible to have the time to read the full thread and, as you've seen in the past, haven't my self.
Heh... now, quit bustin' my chops and get back to work! 😀

Non-required apology accepted (might have been implied more than anything else).

Work??? It's sunday night and about to go to bed:-P

I'm actually late for that :ermm: 😛

Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 15

I felt this needed to be said.

Help others because it is the right thing to do, not for the recognition. Research and write articles or blog posts to expand your knowledge and that of others, not for the recognition. If you have the opportunity to speak at a local SQL Server User Group meeting, do it but not for the recognition. If what you are doing helps others and doing that makes you feel good without the recognition for what you are doing by the community at large, then the community at large will start to recognize you as one of the experts.

I recommend that you follow the advice that Jeff provided. I looked at the thread you referenced, and he is right. There are better ways to accomplish the task than the one you provided. Do the research and testing that he recommended and prove it to yourself.

Then, start looking at other posts and do the same thing. Try to develop your own solution without looking at what others have done, then compare that solution with the ones presented. See if you can find other alternatives as well and test them out.