October 8, 2009 at 10:56 am
GilaMonster (10/8/2009)
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
*It IS possible!*Yes, if the company has no DBA staff to do the interview and/or the interviewer was incompetent. Question is, can you do what you claimed to be able to do?
I'm dealing with a company at the moment that has a DBA who 'exaggerated' their skills (basically they lied their way through the interview). They called me in because of persistent performance problems. The rest of their problems were easy to see.
I suspect said DBA will be short a job relatively soon...
I am not sayign I will be lazy and just occupy space waiting to lose job! When some problem happen,I will do my best to resolve, find answers in SQL Server books, BOL, maybe pay SQL Server expert in poor country for help when I can't resolve something.
Owwwwww,so I am not only one who "exaggerated" my skills? You are working with someone like this right now side by side,so maybe I am not so bad? And you have to work with them, be nice to them,because you are consultant? If I lose my job several times,ok, but if will not be forever because constantly working with SQL Server I will really become good at it
October 8, 2009 at 10:58 am
Gianluca Sartori (10/8/2009)
Just pray that your employer doesn't come across this thread.Good luck.
BTW, I will remember your name and never help you in these forums, because I don't think that this is a good behaviour.
OH, NO, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW? YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HELP ME! I THINK IT'S THE END OF MY CAREER
October 8, 2009 at 11:00 am
On the other hand, I'd consider it a positive if it started with, "I haven't had to do that, so I'm not sure, but what I'd start with is going to MSDN and SSC and looking to see what others have done and what recommended practices are. Might involve hitting Google if I don't find anything on one of the standard sites. It might involve a standard option in a maintenance plan, but if it doesn't, I'm sure I can find and then customize a script that can be turned into an effective SQL Agent job."
THANK YOU, I just recorded this very important answer in my file and I will practice speaking it, looking them in the eye and act confident 😀
October 8, 2009 at 11:18 am
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
I am not sayign I will be lazy and just occupy space waiting to lose job! When some problem happen,I will do my best to resolve, find answers in SQL Server books, BOL, maybe pay SQL Server expert in poor country for help when I can't resolve something.
And what are you going to do when your lack of skills causes a disaster that can't be resolved? What are you going to do when a manager puts you on the spot and demands an explanation without giving you time to go and find someone who can fix it for you?
You are working with someone like this right now side by side,so maybe I am not so bad?
Hardly side-by-side. And yes, you are so bad, you and everyone else that lies and deceives their way into a job.
And you have to work with them, be nice to them,because you are consultant?
I most certainly do not have to be nice to them. I'm working in the best interests of the company, not the individual. The company is paying me, not the DBA.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
October 8, 2009 at 11:40 am
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
Owwwwww,so I am not only one who "exaggerated" my skills? You are working with someone like this right now side by side,so maybe I am not so bad? And you have to work with them, be nice to them,because you are consultant? If I lose my job several times,ok, but if will not be forever because constantly working with SQL Server I will really become good at it
Hold on here.. Exaggerated? You are talking about BEING a novice and wanting to portray yourself as a expert.. That goes quite a bit beyond exaggerate, if not an outright lie it is pretty close..
Being a DBA is NOT a "fake it till you make it" sort of job. And often the first real crisis shows that..
If you get a hiring manager who doesn't know anything either you could, unfortunately, get lucky, but what are you going to do when the chips are down?
Google, BOL, and SSC only go so far, experience, REAL experience, goes a long way..
It would be nice for you to acknowledge that lying your way into a job is dishonest. And if you are ok with that then so be it. But don't act like it is no big deal, because it is..
CEWII
October 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Finding answers on a problem and knowing that an answer will help and not hurt your environment is something that comes from experience and extending your knowledge outside of work. I take it from the tone (and grammar) that you may fall a little short in that area.
Copying and pasting a query out of a post that worked for one person could delete your companies data that could be what they base everything on. How long would you have a job if that happened?
Shawn Melton
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October 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
On the other hand, I'd consider it a positive if it started with, "I haven't had to do that, so I'm not sure, but what I'd start with is going to MSDN and SSC and looking to see what others have done and what recommended practices are. Might involve hitting Google if I don't find anything on one of the standard sites. It might involve a standard option in a maintenance plan, but if it doesn't, I'm sure I can find and then customize a script that can be turned into an effective SQL Agent job."
THANK YOU, I just recorded this very important answer in my file and I will practice speaking it, looking them in the eye and act confident 😀
Better be prepared to be able to actually perform the actions of looking it up. A good interviewer, on hearing this, would go, "Okay, here's a computer with internet access. Start."
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October 8, 2009 at 12:24 pm
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
Gianluca Sartori (10/8/2009)
Just pray that your employer doesn't come across this thread.Good luck.
BTW, I will remember your name and never help you in these forums, because I don't think that this is a good behaviour.
OH, NO, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW? YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HELP ME! I THINK IT'S THE END OF MY CAREER
What career? what you're aiming for is a joke.. without experience you'll never make it, simple as that.. i personally know and admit that I dont know everything, I have huge gaps in my knowledge and experience, but, i'm always willing to learn, and I admit what I dont know.. if that means I miss out on a few extra $$, then thats what it means.. I'd rather lose the money in the shortrun to make myself better at what I do, because time and experience will tell, and the DBA's making the big money, are getting the big money for a reason.. their knowledge, talent and experience.
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October 9, 2009 at 1:21 am
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
Gianluca Sartori (10/8/2009)
Just pray that your employer doesn't come across this thread.Good luck.
BTW, I will remember your name and never help you in these forums, because I don't think that this is a good behaviour.
OH, NO, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW? YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HELP ME! I THINK IT'S THE END OF MY CAREER
Olgi, the point is that NOBODY on these forums will help you. If you are planning to google for concepts you don't know, please note that many times it will point you to SQL Server Central. If you find the answer to a question somebody else asked, that's ok, but I don't think there's going to be a long queue to answer your questions... I think you managed to gain the scorn of the best SQL Server experts around (I'm not referring to myself, obviously).
Everybody has been a novice at the start of his career, it's obvious. Everybody had to study and learn new things, this is not a problem. What I find unrespectful and dishonest is pretending to be an expert when you're not.
As a side note, I don't think you're Italian (you did not respond with a single word in Italian) and Olgi is an Albanian name.
Goodbye
-- Gianluca Sartori
October 9, 2009 at 1:44 am
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
GilaMonster (10/8/2009)
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
*It IS possible!*Yes, if the company has no DBA staff to do the interview and/or the interviewer was incompetent. Question is, can you do what you claimed to be able to do?
I'm dealing with a company at the moment that has a DBA who 'exaggerated' their skills (basically they lied their way through the interview). They called me in because of persistent performance problems. The rest of their problems were easy to see.
I suspect said DBA will be short a job relatively soon...
I am not sayign I will be lazy and just occupy space waiting to lose job! When some problem happen,I will do my best to resolve, find answers in SQL Server books, BOL, maybe pay SQL Server expert in poor country for help when I can't resolve something.
Owwwwww,so I am not only one who "exaggerated" my skills? You are working with someone like this right now side by side,so maybe I am not so bad? And you have to work with them, be nice to them,because you are consultant? If I lose my job several times,ok, but if will not be forever because constantly working with SQL Server I will really become good at it
I am not sure if your real name is Olgi or if you are italian or even what country you are currently working in. but I am disappointed, my last point asked you to come back to the forums and try to justify what you have done. All you have done is confirm what others already know, that you dont have the experience or skills to do a dba job.
This forum is one of, if not the best sql server resource on the net and you do yourself no favours by trying to convince seasoned dba's here that you can do the job with very little experience and surfing the net for answers. you might think that people are having a go and being unfair, but they understand totally the position you have got yourself into and it is wrong for you to think you can learn on the job when you dont understand the basics and have noone to help you.
If you want to be a DBA in the future, a little humility and a better attitude would serve you better, than arguing your cause with experienced DBA's who are only on this forum to help people.
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October 9, 2009 at 2:18 am
Gianluca Sartori (10/9/2009)
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
Gianluca Sartori (10/8/2009)
Just pray that your employer doesn't come across this thread.Good luck.
BTW, I will remember your name and never help you in these forums, because I don't think that this is a good behaviour.
OH, NO, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO NOW? YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HELP ME! I THINK IT'S THE END OF MY CAREER
Olgi, the point is that NOBODY on these forums will help you. If you are planning to google for concepts you don't know, please note that many times it will point you to SQL Server Central. If you find the answer to a question somebody else asked, that's ok, but I don't think there's going to be a long queue to answer your questions... I think you managed to gain the scorn of the best SQL Server experts around (I'm not referring to myself, obviously).
Everybody has been a novice at the start of his career, it's obvious. Everybody had to study and learn new things, this is not a problem. What I find unrespectful and dishonest is pretending to be an expert when you're not.
As a side note, I don't think you're Italian (you did not respond with a single word in Italian) and Olgi is an Albanian name.
Goodbye
Why you so concerned with my identity? I am Olgi, Italian, from the city of Trieste. I type in English because most forums don't allow foreign language
I came here, just ask for list of SQL Server questions,not convince anybody that me is really me. No? Ok, I already make my own and I will build it to be very big.
Moral lecture is irrelevant,I am still doing what I am doing!
October 9, 2009 at 2:30 am
ItalianOlgi (10/9/2009)
Moral lecture is irrelevant,I am still doing what I am doing!
Whatever , but as already pointed out , its not a moral argument , its a legal argument.
It you have lied to get yourself to a trusted position that you are not qualified for, then i would expect you could find yourself on the receiving end of a law suit.
The best possible outcome for you, is that you will be sacked for gross incompetence and unable to find another job. Have fun flipping those burgers.....
October 9, 2009 at 3:34 am
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
If I lose my job several times,ok, but if will not be forever
Don't be quite so smug about it... the SQL Server DBA community is not as big as you think. I frequently come across people I have previously worked with and your name will get known... good or bad.
ItalianOlgi (10/8/2009)
because constantly working with SQL Server I will really become good at it
Just about the only sensible thing you've said.
October 9, 2009 at 6:20 am
Gianluca Sartori (10/2/2009)
Gianluca Sartori (10/2/2009)
Ti suggerirei di comprare un buon libro e di fare un bel po' di pratica sul campo.Non c'è niente che possa sostituire la pratica. L'importante è capire cosa succede a livello teorico quando ti trovi ad affrontare il problema specifico.
Qui su SQLServerCentral troverai un sacco di risorse (articoli, script, forum) che ti aiuteranno a comprendere alcune feature di SQL Server, ma per partire dall'inizio, ti consiglio un buon libro. Non saprei indicartene uno in particolare, ma potrebbe esere uno dei tanti di Microsoft Press.
I miei migliori auguri
Gianluca
Although it could look ridiculous to write in English while our first language is Italian, it's unfair to write in a public forum in a language other from the hosting forum's. I'm translating for the others:
I suggest you to buy a good book and practise a lot.
Nothing can substitute the practise. The important thing is understanding what is going on when you'ra facing the specific practical problem.
Here on SSC you'll find lots of resources (articles, scripts, forums) that will help you understanding some SQL Server features, but to start from the beginning I suggest you buy a good book. I can't point you to one in particular, it could be one of the many in Microsoft Press.
Jon: Actually, that was fun, I followed that almost verbatim in Italian, and never taken Italian. 😀
*Edit: Having read the rest of the thread, not so much fun. Olgi, hope your future employer googles your name and finds this thread. Gianluca, regardless of Olgi's origin it has no reflection on your good name. There are liars and cheaters in every country.
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October 9, 2009 at 6:35 am
Not so impossible, indeed:
http://www.google.it/search?q=olgi+sql+server
For me it's the second hit.
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