August 15, 2011 at 6:00 am
If you loathe technology, don't do it. It's not worth it. I love technology and sometimes hate this job. If I didn't absolutely love the problems I was dealing with constantly, I don't think I could stand it. Yeah, go make money, but do telemarketing or work in a video store, jobs equally loathsome, but not requiring the extra commitment that technology does. You have to CONSTANTLY learn to keep your head above water in a technology related job. If you don't love it, don't do it.
Oh, and PS, 23 years in and I only ever had a single certification and that was 15 or so years ago on a technology I never even touch any more. Certs don't mean a darn thing, at all.
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August 15, 2011 at 6:10 am
GilaMonster (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
No matter what career field you want to move into, you might want to rethink the way you both think about women and talk about them - because some of the folks you might need to network with *are* women.Wonder if he realises how many ppl on this thread are female...
Well to be fair your Avatar is slightly misleading ;-).
August 15, 2011 at 6:13 am
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/15/2011)
GilaMonster (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
No matter what career field you want to move into, you might want to rethink the way you both think about women and talk about them - because some of the folks you might need to network with *are* women.Wonder if he realises how many ppl on this thread are female...
Well to be fair your Avatar is slightly misleading ;-).
Time to bring Qui-Gon back? The lightsabre gave at least a hint that it was a movie pic not a photo.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
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August 15, 2011 at 6:22 am
GilaMonster (8/15/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/15/2011)
GilaMonster (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
No matter what career field you want to move into, you might want to rethink the way you both think about women and talk about them - because some of the folks you might need to network with *are* women.Wonder if he realises how many ppl on this thread are female...
Well to be fair your Avatar is slightly misleading ;-).
Time to bring Qui-Gon back? The lightsabre gave at least a hint that it was a movie pic not a photo.
Perhaps... or maybe a girl character (maybe the princess, since she kicks *** so much :-D)
August 15, 2011 at 7:16 am
Yeah, if the mods wish they can banish me from the site I'm actually starting to have doubts about technology period. I will face my father and tell him the truth right now and move on with my life. I did make a fool out of myself and I don't regret what happen here. It was a life lesson and I move on from that.
August 15, 2011 at 7:31 am
SQL Kidd (8/14/2011)
Ha-ha I'd like to thank you all for helping me with my non-SQL related mess. Sorry for this garbage and I apologize to everyone for this. I will stick with SQL, but if I do not get at least 600 on the BI next retake, then I will switch my course of action and go over to take the 70-432. I'll focus more on development and becoming competent in SQL. I found a few SQL Saturdays, and SQL get together that another member showed me. Thanks for helping me sort this out guys.SQL Kidd
Nah... it would be a waste of time, IMHO. You don't like technology and probably wouldn't like "finance" for that same reason. "Corporate Law" would provide the same obstacle because it, too, requires a fair bit of technology.
You described yourself as a bit of a "naturalist" that has a particular affinity for female coeds but need to make some money. Move to Aruba and become a "beach bartender" where you can enjoy the best of all 3 environments. 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
August 15, 2011 at 7:43 am
Awesome post! agree! I "fell into" IT somewhat the same way.
I got my current job, BI, first pure BI job, because not only had I been doing SQL for years and very data-intensive things (job, conferences, self-study), but because of my ENTHUSIASM. Helps that I had been pointing my career this direction for 5 or more years, also.
Enthusiasm is hard to fake. If you have the enthusiasm and eagerness to learn, then, you can get a job that will take advantage of that and channel your energy into on-the-job education.
August 15, 2011 at 7:47 am
Color of your skin means nothing to me when we're in the trenches together. Either you can effectively problem solve or you can't. I keep no data on which color cohorts were best at that, I only remember the people that I didn't want to be in an emergency with, and color had zippo to do with it.
That said, being white female myself, I would love to see more diversity in IT. I've been a minority for most of my career and I have generally enjoyed a hearty welcome, and just a few "women aren't as smart" a$$holes. That has so far 100% come from white males.
If you are good at what you do and are honest about your shortcomings, you can get a job.
August 15, 2011 at 7:56 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
SQL Kidd (8/12/2011)
I totally get you and agree with you! Let me be even more brutally honest with you. I loathe technology! At best my heart can be described at its core as a naturalist. Now don't get me wrong, I like technology to an extent! I like being able to turn my computer on and look up my subscription to well... pleasurable websites.
That’s about it! But one of my biggest motivations during this entire process has always if I could go to my choice school. I live in the Southwest Suburbs of Chicago and want to move down to Champagne Urbana so that I can go to U of I.
I will honestly admit that I am going down there for all the wrong reasons. I am going for the 20 year old reasons instead of the good wise 40 year old reasons. I'm going there because there are night clubs, bars, and well… women as far the eye can see! This has undoubtedly been my source of motivation. I get up every morning thinking about my home with tons of gorgeous coeds cooking me breakfast every morning. It’s a damn tempting offer! But even this isn't enough to inspire my 21 year old mind to wrap my head around SQL.
Well, any thoughts I may have had about helping you find an internship just disappeared. No matter what career field you want to move into, you might want to rethink the way you both think about women and talk about them - because some of the folks you might need to network with *are* women.
And I don't think there are too many of us who are going to want to be a) called a coed or b) cook you breakfast.
And that's before I take into consideration the fact that you don't actually *want* to be in this field.
Wow. I completely missed the "women" comment. Dude, you just shot yourself in the foot by publicly posting stuff like that. The internet is forever. Employers know how to use google and those who find this post, especially if they are women employers or have a big female team, will instantly cross you off their "to hire" list.
Not to mention your comment about loathing technology. Who will hire you for an IT job if you hate working with tech? They want people who love their jobs, employees they can retain, not someone who's going to quit after 5 months because they hate working with gizmos.
I take back every bit of advice I just gave you. If you loathe technology, don't even bother getting into the field. No one wants to work with a coworker who hates the stuff he works with and will build up a resentment of everything IT because he was forced to be in the field. I know someone who fell into IT in college and hated every minute of it, but kept getting IT jobs because it was the easy career path. His anger issues got out of control and made life miserable for everyone around him. Needless to say, he ended up getting canned from a few places before he got the message and found the career he really wanted.
I said what I said, did what I did, and made the choices that I made. I don't have any regrets, because I as an adult made the decision to say those words on this website. I am responsible for my actions and I have no regrets. Life will take me on a new journey.
August 15, 2011 at 7:59 am
I didn't bash you for the female-related hoo hah simply because you are very young and it sounds like the common quips from a young male brain. I expect that you will grow up and understand that women are not playthings for your amusement.
I get that you know that you will become wiser in time. So please consider that I am a female with a boyfriend that cooks for me instead of the other way around. Both well out of our 20s.
If I had an internship to give you, I would, and you would learn that respect is earned. I also suggest that you check out Indianapolis. This is one of those locations with many SQL jobs and a reasonable night life, not too far from Pops.
August 15, 2011 at 8:53 am
SQL Kidd (8/15/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
SQL Kidd (8/12/2011)
I will honestly admit that I am going down there for all the wrong reasons. I am going for the 20 year old reasons instead of the good wise 40 year old reasons. I'm going there because there are night clubs, bars, and well… women as far the eye can see! This has undoubtedly been my source of motivation. I get up every morning thinking about my home with tons of gorgeous coeds cooking me breakfast every morning. It’s a damn tempting offer! But even this isn't enough to inspire my 21 year old mind to wrap my head around SQL.
I said what I said, did what I did, and made the choices that I made. I don't have any regrets, because I as an adult made the decision to say those words on this website. I am responsible for my actions and I have no regrets. Life will take me on a new journey.
What kills me is that you knew, even as you were typing the words, what you were saying. It's one thing to say something off the cuff, then realize it was a bad decision to say it. Heaven knows we've all done before. But, it's another matter completely to disregard the common sense you were born with and declare out loud that you're doing so. You seem to be very aware of how your attitude could hinder your professional growth, yet you don't seem to care about the implications.
The U.S. workforce is predominantly female these days, with more and more women entering all sectors as each day passes. In addition, it's not just IT employers who know the value of google and social networking checks. Management in other industries are becoming just as savvy with their background check procedures. It may be years before you recognize the damage you've inflicted upon your career.
Even if you don't regret what you posted here, take this as a lesson learned. Think about what you post before you post it. Be professional in your communications, especially on professional forums like this one. Even if you feel this way about women, the place to share that information is in private with your beer buddies, not on the internet, and especially not on a forum like this where potential employers do lurk and read these posts.
August 15, 2011 at 9:26 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/15/2011)
SQL Kidd (8/15/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
SQL Kidd (8/12/2011)
I will honestly admit that I am going down there for all the wrong reasons. I am going for the 20 year old reasons instead of the good wise 40 year old reasons. I'm going there because there are night clubs, bars, and well… women as far the eye can see! This has undoubtedly been my source of motivation. I get up every morning thinking about my home with tons of gorgeous coeds cooking me breakfast every morning. It’s a damn tempting offer! But even this isn't enough to inspire my 21 year old mind to wrap my head around SQL.
I said what I said, did what I did, and made the choices that I made. I don't have any regrets, because I as an adult made the decision to say those words on this website. I am responsible for my actions and I have no regrets. Life will take me on a new journey.
What kills me is that you knew, even as you were typing the words, what you were saying. It's one thing to say something off the cuff, then realize it was a bad decision to say it. Heaven knows we've all done before. But, it's another matter completely to disregard the common sense you were born with and declare out loud that you're doing so. You seem to be very aware of how your attitude could hinder your professional growth, yet you don't seem to care about the implications.
The U.S. workforce is predominantly female these days, with more and more women entering all sectors as each day passes. In addition, it's not just IT employers who know the value of google and social networking checks. Management in other industries are becoming just as savvy with their background check procedures. It may be years before you recognize the damage you've inflicted upon your career.
Even if you don't regret what you posted here, take this as a lesson learned. Think about what you post before you post it. Be professional in your communications, especially on professional forums like this one. Even if you feel this way about women, the place to share that information is in private with your beer buddies, not on the internet, and especially not on a forum like this where potential employers do lurk and read these posts.
I don't regret not because I have no remorse, but because I take responsibility for making the stupid decision in the first place. I take responsibility; I see no harm in that. I own up to what I have said as a man. I said it, it was foolish, but I cannot take it back, so why regret? The damage is done and I won't spend time crying over what has happened. Regardless to what life throws at me I choose to be resilient and come up with a solution.
I may not have a job in the primary sector for years, that's fine with me, I made the decision. I openly admit that my place is not in the IT industry, though I will hang tight for a while longer. I should've known before shooting off at the mouth that this wasn't the place for it, and one of my most serious flaws is that I don't take the time to think about the things that I say. It has always been a problem of my. I do not have good social skills, and more importantly my attempts to be honest and upfront often go too far.
It's my fault for not knowing the culture, I came to this forum with my daddy baggage, and my racial garbage, and my slandering against women and I will pay for that. I won't look back because I know the hard times ahead will make me a stronger person, and that's simply the way I see life.
One thing I do is take responsibility for my actions; I never weasel out of anything I have said, I own up. People often misinterpret this as me not having remorse or not caring, but it is truly me owning up and being a man about my actions. I might not be able to take the direct way into SQL. I might have to work at a night club and find a way into the industry like that. Whatever the case might be, I’m fine with that. No matter how it has to happen I will survive and not only that but I will thrive.
I’ve let negativity and foolishness shape my life for too long. I have lots to learn and unfortunately the only way that I learn is by making mistakes. I will make several more of these down the line, however; as a courtesy I will keep that garbage off of this website. This is neither the place nor location for me to post the garbage I have posted, and I would like to apologize for even bringing up this drama on the forum. It’s on the internet and there is nothing I can do to take back the words I have said.
As for the money issue that has been addressed in this thread I could care less about money, but I really want to start to strike out on my own. I want a fresh start on life. I also want the money to help me get personal things that would help me fix my social skills and the way I view life. I have no problem admitting that I am out of touch with the average person.
August 15, 2011 at 9:31 am
herladygeekedness (8/15/2011)
I didn't bash you for the female-related hoo hah simply because you are very young and it sounds like the common quips from a young male brain. I expect that you will grow up and understand that women are not playthings for your amusement.I get that you know that you will become wiser in time. So please consider that I am a female with a boyfriend that cooks for me instead of the other way around. Both well out of our 20s.
If I had an internship to give you, I would, and you would learn that respect is earned. I also suggest that you check out Indianapolis. This is one of those locations with many SQL jobs and a reasonable night life, not too far from Pops.
Hey thanks a lot, I would really consider moving down to Indianapolis if I had finished college already. There are truly some good people who can over look a lot of things in this world.
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