Hidden Tricks To SQL Server Table Cleanup

Question

Hidden Tricks To SQL Server Table Cleanup

Viewing 15 posts - 31 through 45 (of 95 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Login to reply

ScottPletcher SSC Guru Points: 101120 More actions · Answer 1

Edward.Polley 76944 (3/6/2013)
Agreed the count method consumes resources so initially against huge tables I hard code the count. Say the table has 50 million rows to remove, no point using count just SET @count = 1000000. However this is production so when we get to a few million rows to remove the table is small enough where the count penalty is small. Thanks for the comment.

But it looks like the count(*) controls when to stop deleting in your method. How can you process w/o the count, since the code won't know when to stop deleting?

SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

Anonymous SSCrazy Points: 2228 More actions · Answer 2

Please, if you're on SQL2005, watch out that you have sufficient TEMPDB space to accommodate all those deleted rows.

When a row is deleted, it is stored in TEMPDB as, forgive the imprecise term, a "Pending Delete". Something akin to the C# Garbage Collector runs in the background, processing through TEMPDB records and "finalizing" the deletes.

If the rate of deletion exceeds the capacity of the Garbage Collector to clean up and free the TEMPDB space, you will grow TEMPDB.

If TEMPDB exceeds the available disk capacity - YOU DIE!

We used Itzik's small-batch with WAITFOR to annihilate over 500M rows in 5000 row batches. Ignorant of the ramifications above, Production DIED!

Thankfully, restarting the SQL Service got us going again. I can honestly say I've NO IDEA what the final effect of the Garbage Collector not finalizing each row was, but we've been running OK for the last 6 months, while still deleting, albeit far fewer on a daily basis, from the same table! Perhaps an Expert would like to comment...?

saidie_vs Grasshopper Points: 20 More actions · Answer 3

I think it would be best to recreate the table (create a similar structure witj tmp_xxx prefixed to the actual name of the table) and then insert only the rows needed on the new table. Then once the new table has all the needed rows, recreate all indexes and fks from the new table, rename the table, then drop the old one. It's slower to do a batch of deletes when there's only a small set of data needed to remain on the table...

Edward.Polley 76944 SSC Eights! Points: 834 More actions · Answer 4

Thanks for comment. I like the CTE coding but this seems to not include the small batch concept, without that end up with lock contention.

AmolNaik SSCarpal Tunnel Points: 4767 More actions · Answer 5

Agree with saidie_vs, when you have more data to delete than to keep, the best way is to create a new table, load the data you want to keep to the new table and then flip the table names and finally re-create the FK's, Indexes.

Cheers! 🙂

Amol Naik

Edward.Polley 76944 SSC Eights! Points: 834 More actions · Answer 6

For those DBAs who inherit a 7*24 application and we can't change much in the database without business impact - this is a low impact method to cleanup tables. Wish I could do partitioning.

tlocke-512364 Valued Member Points: 50 More actions · Answer 7

How would this affect replication? Would replication flow smoother than doing a delete * from the large row table?

Edward.Polley 76944 SSC Eights! Points: 834 More actions · Answer 8

Edward.Polley 76944

SSC Eights!

Points: 834

March 6, 2013 at 11:43 am

#1594104

What level of lock contention do you see with this?

Zoran Jankovic SSC Enthusiast Points: 152 More actions · Answer 9

Sometimes I use this trick ....

Create tempTable ( the same as bigTable)

then

sp_rename bigtable, secondTableName

sp_rename tempTable, bigTable

you can do it in transaction ...

after that you have bigTable empty, and ready for new inserts, and secondTableName with all

data from old bigTable and you can do it with that what you want without fear of locking main tables ...

Of course this is example only for specific situations.

Edward.Polley 76944 SSC Eights! Points: 834 More actions · Answer 10

It doesn't need to as the delete uses the view and the view only returns 2000 rows. Since the @cnt limits the total number of rows to those with a date older than 6 days that's all that can ever be deleted.

ScottPletcher SSC Guru Points: 101120 More actions · Answer 11

SAinCA (3/6/2013)
Please, if you're on SQL2005, watch out that you have sufficient TEMPDB space to accommodate all those deleted rows.
When a row is deleted, it is stored in TEMPDB as, forgive the imprecise term, a "Pending Delete". Something akin to the C# Garbage Collector runs in the background, processing through TEMPDB records and "finalizing" the deletes.
If the rate of deletion exceeds the capacity of the Garbage Collector to clean up and free the TEMPDB space, you will grow TEMPDB.
If TEMPDB exceeds the available disk capacity - YOU DIE!
We used Itzik's small-batch with WAITFOR to annihilate over 500M rows in 5000 row batches. Ignorant of the ramifications above, Production DIED!
Thankfully, restarting the SQL Service got us going again. I can honestly say I've NO IDEA what the final effect of the Garbage Collector not finalizing each row was, but we've been running OK for the last 6 months, while still deleting, albeit far fewer on a daily basis, from the same table! Perhaps an Expert would like to comment...?

SQL only has to save the row in tempdb under certain, specific scenarios. That is not a normal process.

Deletes beyond a certain size (64K I think) are processed separately later, as the relevant pages are "touched", but that doesn't involve tempdb.

SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

MudLuck SSCrazy Points: 2301 More actions · Answer 12

MudLuck

SSCrazy

Points: 2301

March 6, 2013 at 1:35 pm

#1594147

My thoughts exactly.

SET ROWCOUNT

Anonymous SSCrazy Points: 2228 More actions · Answer 13

@scottpletcher

Not sure if what you are saying is that "it didn't happen the way I said it did..."

READ_COMMITTED_SNAPSHOT isolation is set ON for the database in question.

In order to determine that the problem was, indeed, due to the "Version Store" in TEMPDB, I used this query:

SELECT SUM(version_store_reserved_page_count) AS [version store pages used],

(SUM(version_store_reserved_page_count)*1.0/128) AS [version store space in MB]

FROM sys.dm_db_file_space_usage;

(Ref:

The 240GB of free space usually present on the TEMPDB drive were consumed by the version store.

Whether or not "normal" comes into it, simply running the 10,000 row delete loop (sorry, mis-remembered the count), is what caused the problem. Simply wanted to caution others of this potentially catastrophic situation.

Now we're on SQL2012 on new hardware with far more disk and running daily deletes, we have no issues 🙂

ScottPletcher SSC Guru Points: 101120 More actions · Answer 14

SAinCA (3/6/2013)
@ScottPletcher
Not sure if what you are saying is that "it didn't happen the way I said it did..."
READ_COMMITTED_SNAPSHOT isolation is set ON for the database in question.
In order to determine that the problem was, indeed, due to the "Version Store" in TEMPDB, I used this query:
SELECT SUM(version_store_reserved_page_count) AS [version store pages used],
(SUM(version_store_reserved_page_count)*1.0/128) AS [version store space in MB]
FROM sys.dm_db_file_space_usage;
(Ref:
The 240GB of free space usually present on the TEMPDB drive were consumed by the version store.
Whether or not "normal" comes into it, simply running the 10,000 row delete loop (sorry, mis-remembered the count), is what caused the problem. Simply wanted to caution others of this potentially catastrophic situation.
Now we're on SQL2012 on new hardware with far more disk and running daily deletes, we have no issues 🙂

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying SQL's doing it because of the snapshot isolation. Without snapshot isolation or some other specific requirement, SQL does not store deleted rows in tempdb; iow, that's not SQL's "normal" delete process, it only does that if it has to.

SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

Anonymous SSCrazy Points: 2228 More actions · Answer 15

@scottpletcher

Thanks for clarifying.

My "normal" is to always use READ_SNAPSHOT_ISOLATION for every SQL2005 or later User DB so I can nuke WITH (NOLOCK) from legacy code.

Guess I normally expect SQL to delete using the version store. Not quite an "it depends" but a different "normal".

Thanks again for your input.

Cheers!