Heads up on changes to the CHECKSUM function in APDW

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Heads up on changes to the CHECKSUM function in APDW

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January 5, 2017 at 1:51 am

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There's plenty of forum information available on the weakness of the checksum function. I'm currently using it just for testing so whilst this is a pain for me, it's not a huge issue - but for others ... :w00t:
It looks like something might have changed with Azure Data Warehouse (not sure about other platforms).
Running this statement in SQL2016 results in the same value, despite the cast. However in APDW different values will be returned - APDW AsChar is different, the other 3 are the same. Thanks Microsoft!!
select checksum( cast('abc' as char(3))) as [AsChar], checksum( cast('abc' as nchar(3))) as [AsNChar]
Might cause issues for people just copying data from one platform to another.
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Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398882 More actions · Answer 1

I also tested this in Azure SQL Database. It's showing two different values as well.

However, I checked in my version of 2016 SP1, and it also showed two different values.

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pcd_au Ten Centuries Points: 1289 More actions · Answer 2

Grant

Same value (1132495864) on 2008 R2 (SP2) - 10.50.4042.0 (X64), collation Latin1_General_CI_AS

Same value (1132495864) on 2014 - 12.0.2269.0 (X64), collation Latin1_General_CI_AS

I'll post other results when I get to the machines.

select checksum( cast('abc' as char(3))) as [AsChar], checksum( cast('abc' as nchar(3))) as [AsNChar]

select @@version

select SERVERPROPERTY('collation')

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Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398882 More actions · Answer 3

May be a recent change then.

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pcd_au Ten Centuries Points: 1289 More actions · Answer 4

Additional info from different servers.

Same value (1132495864) on 2016 (SP1) (KB3182545) - 13.0.4001.0 (X64), collation Latin1_General_CI_AS

Different values (AsChar=34400, AsNChar=1132495864) on Azure SQL Data Warehouse - 10.0.8506.1, collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS

Different values (AsChar=34400, AsNChar=1132495864) on SQL Azure (RTM) - 12.0.2000.8, collation SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS

Noticing that the collation was different, for giggles I then ran the following on SQL 2016 (SP1).

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select checksum( cast('abc' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS as char(3) )) as [AsChar], checksum( cast('abc' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS as nchar(3))) as [AsNChar]

[/Code]

Behold, the figure were different!!! (AsChar=34400, AsNChar=1132495864)

So it appears to be a collation issue and not a change between the Earth and Cloud versions.

Problem solved.

pcd

PS Thank you Grant for your initial response, that gave me the nugget I needed to work out what was happening.

Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398882 More actions · Answer 5

Ah, cool. I wouldn't even have thought to check that.

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004339 More actions · Answer 6

pcd_au (1/5/2017)
There's plenty of forum information available on the weakness of the checksum function. I'm currently using it just for testing so whilst this is a pain for me, it's not a huge issue - but for others ... :w00t:

Getting back to that and as a warning to others that may be reading this thread, CHECKSUM isn't just weak, it's downright poor. It should only be used for quickly converting NEWID() to large random integers or for checking things that aren't the same. If two different items come up with the same checksum, they can still be different and it doesn't take much for it to come up with the same value for things that aren't the same.

Here's a simple example.

SELECT CS1 = CHECKSUM('A352KD')

,CS2 = CHECKSUM('A352NT')

;

Here's the result from that...

CS1 CS2

----------- -----------

141500177 141500177

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