April 7, 2014 at 3:16 pm
I know what it is and I also know if you take the time to do things correctly that tools like IronSpeed are just as good for development as the more basic tools like C# and its kind are. That means it still comes down to the person using the tool.
And no, I don't blame the OS if I get hacked because of flaws in the code, I blame the developers that wrote the code in the first place.
April 7, 2014 at 4:24 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/7/2014)
I know what it is and I also know if you take the time to do things correctly that tools like IronSpeed are just as good for development as the more basic tools like C# and its kind are. That means it still comes down to the person using the tool.And no, I don't blame the OS if I get hacked because of flaws in the code, I blame the developers that wrote the code in the first place.
No sense in arguing about this now. The person using it is long gone. The OP is trying to clean the mess up. 🙂
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 7, 2014 at 4:49 pm
Jeff Moden (4/7/2014)
Lynn Pettis (4/7/2014)
I know what it is and I also know if you take the time to do things correctly that tools like IronSpeed are just as good for development as the more basic tools like C# and its kind are. That means it still comes down to the person using the tool.And no, I don't blame the OS if I get hacked because of flaws in the code, I blame the developers that wrote the code in the first place.
No sense in arguing about this now. The person using it is long gone. The OP is trying to clean the mess up. 🙂
I just have a problem with people that blame the tool, not the person who used the tool incorrectly.
As for cleaning up the database, I would restore the database to another name up to the PIT just before the attack and fix the data from the restored database.
April 9, 2014 at 12:45 am
Heh... I tend to blame both. Cruddy tools being used by people that just don't know. It's a deadly combination.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 9, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.
That's why the world can't have nice things.
April 9, 2014 at 2:25 pm
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.
You might want to google Lynn's contributions here before you say that....
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
April 9, 2014 at 2:28 pm
Jeff Moden (4/9/2014)
Heh... I tend to blame both. Cruddy tools being used by people that just don't know. It's a deadly combination.
Frighteningly true, especially since the people who don't know can't tell that the tool is cruddy.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
April 9, 2014 at 2:28 pm
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.That's why the world can't have nice things.
That's a strong accusation based on a single thread. Lynn has been a great contributor, he just happens to have strong convictions.
April 9, 2014 at 3:00 pm
GilaMonster (4/9/2014)
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.You might want to google Lynn's contributions here before you say that....
Luis Cazares (4/9/2014)
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.That's why the world can't have nice things.
That's a strong accusation based on a single thread. Lynn has been a great contributor, he just happens to have strong convictions.
:blush:
I am humbled by your support.
:blush:
April 9, 2014 at 3:47 pm
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.That's why the world can't have nice things.
From where you sit and since this might be your first exposure to Lynn, I can understand why you might think that but, I've known him for a very long time and I can tell you, he's definitely not a troll. He happens to be voicing an opinion that I share and, although I'm short, fat, ugly, and have a bit of an odd gait, I'm not a troll either. 😛 Lynn is a valued member of this and other forums and has helped untold numbers of people find a better way in SQL Server in a concerned and proper mentor-like fashion.
All of us take a stand on something now and then. This happens to be one place where Lynn is taking a stand. 😀 You should see me when someone insists that RBAR is good enough based on a small number of rows. :hehe:
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Jeff Moden (4/9/2014)
allaspects (4/9/2014)
Lynn is obviously trolling. Sad that on a resource such as this website, someone is out to troll and not help.That's why the world can't have nice things.
From where you sit and since this might be your first exposure to Lynn, I can understand why you might think that but, I've known him for a very long time and I can tell you, he's definitely not a troll. He happens to be voicing an opinion that I share and, although I'm short, fat, ugly, and have a bit of an odd gait, I'm not a troll either. 😛 Lynn is a valued member of this and other forums and has helped untold numbers of people find a better way in SQL Server in a concerned and proper mentor-like fashion.
All of us take a stand on something now and then. This happens to be one place where Lynn is taking a stand. 😀 You should see me when someone insists that RBAR is good enough based on a small number of rows. :hehe:
:blush:
Thank you, Jeff. I am humbled.
And yes, I have seen your responses to people supporting RBAR code. :hehe:
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