Cloud Computing - No need to have a DBA ?

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Cloud Computing - No need to have a DBA ?

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PaulB-TheOneAndOnly SSC Guru Points: 66772 More actions · Answer 1

onlo (12/28/2009)
Cloud Computing - No need to have a DBA ?
How do you think ?

A proper Cloud Computing provider doesn't goes beyond providing the basic platform usually in the form of a bundle of (Processing-power + Memory + Storage + Bandwith) where you are free to build your own virtual servers therefore you need exactly the same number of DBA, Sysadmin, Developers, etc.

Now... if you are talking about somebody selling "Computing As A Service" on a Cloud environment where part of the offering is DBA services then you are buying the service as opposed as having it in house.

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Pablo (Paul) Berzukov

Author of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.

Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice.

AbrahamLeftJoin SSC-Addicted Points: 441 More actions · Answer 2

I don't think it replaces DBAs, etc. Having the Infrastructure as a service allows a company to not have to worry about building a physically secured data center with HVAC, etc. A company like MS or Google can spend the money to build huge datacenters in locations where power / cooling is much more economical (maybe Antarctica or The Dark Side of the Moon someday), and eventually provide it at low prices.

onlo SSCertifiable Points: 5080 More actions · Answer 3

For those large companies, enterprises or governmental organizations, due to the data security issue, they will have their own private clouds. DBAs, network specialists can find their places there.

However, for those small or medium size companies, in order to cut their operation costs, I think they will consider cloud computing. Consequently, all of their DBAs, hardware engineers, network engineers, software supports, ... or even programmers, will lose their jobs - chômage.

But when will this day come ? No one knows.

PaulB-TheOneAndOnly SSC Guru Points: 66772 More actions · Answer 4

onlo (4/27/2012)
For those large companies, enterprises or governmental organizations, due to the data security issue, they will have their own private clouds.

This is incorrect. It is public information that some U.S. Federal agencies have their cloud environments hosted by Terremark; which also hosts multinational corporations including foreign banks.

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Pablo (Paul) Berzukov

Author of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.

Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice.

PaulB-TheOneAndOnly SSC Guru Points: 66772 More actions · Answer 5

eric.lyons (4/26/2012)
I wince every time I hear someone use the words "cloud computing".
This is marketing hype in line with the "pet rock."

Hope you are trying crack a joke - which is not funny indeed.

If you are serious then you certainly have to start reading or be prepared to flip burgers for a living.

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Pablo (Paul) Berzukov

Author of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.

Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 6

PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/29/2012)
eric.lyons (4/26/2012)
I wince every time I hear someone use the words "cloud computing".
This is marketing hype in line with the "pet rock."
Hope you are trying crack a joke - which is not funny indeed.
If you are serious then you certainly have to start reading or be prepared to flip burgers for a living.

'Cloud' is a marketing term, it certainly isn't a technical one, and it's a term that means different things when said by different people. It's not even a new thing, distributed computing has been around for a long time, just not in this format and not this hyped.

http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/database-administration/buck-woodys-cloud-howlers/

Gail Shaw
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PaulB-TheOneAndOnly SSC Guru Points: 66772 More actions · Answer 7

GilaMonster (4/29/2012)
PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/29/2012)
eric.lyons (4/26/2012)
I wince every time I hear someone use the words "cloud computing".
This is marketing hype in line with the "pet rock."
Hope you are trying crack a joke - which is not funny indeed.
If you are serious then you certainly have to start reading or be prepared to flip burgers for a living.
'Cloud' is a marketing term, it certainly isn't a technical one, and it's a term that means different things when said by different people. It's not even a new thing, distributed computing has been around for a long time, just not in this format and not this hyped.
http://www.simple-talk.com/sql/database-administration/buck-woodys-cloud-howlers/

I beg to disagree on this one Gail. On the same line of thinking the terms "main frame" or "colocation" would also be marketing terms but the truth is that everybody knows what they mean in technical terms.

Cloud computing does not refers to distributed computing - even when you can have distributed resources to source your pool of computing resources - but to the ability to deliver computing capabilities in terms of: Processing power, Memory, Storage and Bandwith in a way that is 100% transparent to the user meaning that the user does not knows or even cares about from where such resources are coming from.

Please note that some "cloud" providers - some of them very well known - that sell by the "virtual server" are actually doing a pretty poor job and showing how poorly designed their infrastructures are.

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Pablo (Paul) Berzukov

Author of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.

Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice.

Rich Mechaber SSChampion Points: 11130 More actions · Answer 8

PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/29/2012)
Cloud computing does not refers to distributed computing - even when you can have distributed resources to source your pool of computing resources - but to the ability to deliver computing capabilities in terms of: Processing power, Memory, Storage and Bandwith in a way that is 100% transparent to the user meaning that the user does not knows or even cares about from where such resources are coming from.

Well, by that definition, our virtual server pool is a cloud to our users here. I don't think that's what anyone means by "cloud" computing.

Just my 2 cents. Not trying to foment a terminology war here, just underscoring that it can be tricky to nail down what people mean when they say "cloud."

Rich

PaulB-TheOneAndOnly SSC Guru Points: 66772 More actions · Answer 9

rmechaber (4/30/2012)
PaulB-TheOneAndOnly (4/29/2012)
Cloud computing does not refers to distributed computing - even when you can have distributed resources to source your pool of computing resources - but to the ability to deliver computing capabilities in terms of: Processing power, Memory, Storage and Bandwith in a way that is 100% transparent to the user meaning that the user does not knows or even cares about from where such resources are coming from.
Well, by that definition, our virtual server pool is a cloud to our users here. I don't think that's what anyone means by "cloud" computing.

Please count your YES answers below...

1- Can your users create a new server on the fly?

2- Can your users move resources from one server to other on the fly?

3- When a physical server fails, do all logical servers sourcing from it fail over automatically?

... if you got 3 "YES" answers out of the three questions then chances are you have a cloud.

I do agree that many people out there are jumping into the "cloud" wagon selling even twonkies over-the-cloud the same way that people used to sell old DOS applications running on a Windows DOS window as "Windows Applications" just a few years ago.

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Pablo (Paul) Berzukov

Author of Understanding Database Administration available at Amazon and other bookstores.

Disclaimer: Advice is provided to the best of my knowledge but no implicit or explicit warranties are provided. Since the advisor explicitly encourages testing any and all suggestions on a test non-production environment advisor should not held liable or responsible for any actions taken based on the given advice.