Cannot create a row of size XXXX which is greater than the allowable maximum row size of 8060

  • We are using SQl server 2008 R2 ,

    we have such requirement so one of our table have 500 column .

    according to sql server BOL non wide table can have 1024 Column and Nvarchar(max) can store bytes up to 2^30-1

    i just took Nvarchar(max) actually in original script length is nvarchar(255)

    so i try to simulate situation so i can product error and i am getting error as follows.

    "Msg 511, Level 16, State 1, Line 507

    Cannot create a row of size 13079 which is greater than the allowable maximum row size of 8060."

    can any one tell me what is wrong?

    below is code

    USE tempdb

    Go

    IF OBJECT_ID('Temp') IS NOT NULL

    DROP TABLE Temp

    Go

    CREATE TABLE Temp

    (

    id INT ,

    NOs INT ,

    VALUE1 NVARCHAR(MAX) ,

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  • Warning: The table "Temp" has been created, but its maximum row size exceeds the allowed maximum of 8060 bytes. INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limit.

    Msg 511, Level 16, State 1, Line 507

    Cannot create a row of size 13079 which is greater than the allowable maximum row size of 8060.

    The statement has been terminated.

    The warning and the error message is self explanatory

    It says that though the table is created, if you try and insert a row that exceeds 8060 bytes of data in this table, the INSERT/UPDATE will fail

    Your INSERT statement tries to insert data which requires 13079 bytes and hence results in an error

    You can check the below mentioned link for Maximum Capacity Specifications for SQL Server

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143432%28v=sql.105%29.aspx


    Kingston Dhasian

    How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help - Jeff Moden
    http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537/

  • Without knowing the specifications of this design, the moment I see columns numbered numerically, I cringe. Then I cry. This design pattern usually indicates a bad design.

    I would posit there is a more optimum way to store the data so that you dont hit the limits, you can access the data without a ton of crazy code and you dont use NVARCHAR(MAX), VARCHAR(MAX) or any of the MAX variants, for obvious reasons.

    If the original script was for NVARCHAR(255), why convert to NVARCHAR(MAX)? Is it "just in case"? If so, that is NOT enough reason to use VARCHAR(MAX).

  • >> SQL Server use blocks of data named page. Each page can store 8kb, and include header and metadata. Therefore, It allows only 8060 bytes of data max to be stored in a row. Hence your row size will alwayas be <= 8060. It will never cross this.

    >> some column type can store the data outside the main row's page (like NVARCHAR(MAX))

    * you can get more information where physically the data is stored, using: DBCC IND ('<Database name>', '<table name>', 1);

    >> using external data like NVARCHAR(MAX) you still need to store the pointers, in the main page.

    http://improve.dk/what-is-the-size-of-the-lob-pointer-for-max-types-like-varchar-varbinary-etc/

    >> dont forget the overhead. Each row has headers.

    >> compression is somthing that take part in this game. A table cannot be enabled for compression when the maximum row size plus the compression overhead exceeds the maximum row size of 8060 bytes. For example, a table that has the columns c1 char(8000) and c2 char(53) cannot be compressed because of the additional compression overhead.

    >> The record-size limit for tables that use sparse columns is 8,018 bytes! Sparse columns are ordinary columns that have an optimized storage for null values. Sparse columns reduce the space requirements for null values at the cost of more overhead to retrieve nonnull values.

    >> without any change in a regular situation, you can use about 307 more or less, NVARCHAR(MAX) columns in a table, without seen this alert:

    Warning: The table "Temp" has been created, but its maximum row size exceeds the allowed maximum of 8060 bytes. INSERT or UPDATE to this table will fail if the resulting row exceeds the size limit.

    with all this said, This is only an alert since the Server assume that if you have several dynamic suzes (like several NVARCHAR) then you might not use them all or fill them with long data (therefore you might not need any pointer, and the data will fit to the max row size). Trying to insert the data might raise an error if it is not fit to the max row size.

    I hope this is useful Smile

    Senior consultant and architect, data platform and application development, Microsoft MVP.

  • I know it's a very old thread but I see this error on SQL Server 2017 too. Am surprised because I studied that this error belonged to SQL Server 2000 and since 2005, the SQL Server is sophisticated to handle using ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA internally.

    Can someone please clarify me with below questions -

    1. Is it not true? If not, what is the improvement in SQL 2005 that documentation speak.
    2. Is splitting the table, the only option to resolve this WRITE errors?

    --In 'thoughts'...
    Lonely Rogue

  • If using nvarchar(max), in particular, you can simply force the large values off the page into LOB/overflow area.

    After creating the table, but before loading it, run the following command:

    EXEC sys.sp_tableoption 'dbo.temp', 'large value types out of row', 'ON'

    You should then be able to fully load the table.

     

     

    SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

  • This isn't going to work even with VARCHAR(MAX) because each VARCHAR(MAX) requires that a 24 byte pointer be stored in the  Clustered Index or the Heap and 24*500 = 12,000 bytes at a minimum even if you force "out of row" for LOBs.

    I STRONGLY recommend that you "right size" and "right type" all of the columns or you don't stand a chance of making this work.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by  Jeff Moden.

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • Forced-off-row types require only a 16-byte pointer.  The 2-byte variable-length overhead per pointer, though, causes even fewer than 500 columns to be possible [I thought SQL would be able to do away with the lengths with "out of row" pointers, being fixed length and data length in the LOB itself, but apparently not).  Thus, you can have "only" 443 nvarchar(max) columns in a single table.

    Of course it would be much better to restructure the table to just use one value per row.

    SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

  • Lonely Rogue wrote:

    since 2005, the SQL Server is sophisticated to handle using ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA internally.

    Can someone please clarify me with below questions -

    1. Is it not true? If not, what is the improvement in SQL 2005 that documentation speak.
    2. Is splitting the table, the only option to resolve this WRITE errors?

    Please someone clarify about the improvement that SQL 2005 speak about. Is it that SQL 2000 didn't allow beyond 8060 at all, meaning the tables were needed to be normalised to accommodate larger widths but SQL 2005 allows it using SP_TABLEOPTION?

    EDIT: SP_TABLEOPTION didn't work and the INSERT still gave same error.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by  Lonely Rogue.

    --In 'thoughts'...
    Lonely Rogue

  • Again, no method will allow you to have more than 433 nvarchar(max) values in one row.  Just use separate rows.  The entire design needs reworked to make it reasonable and functional.

    SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

  • ScottPletcher wrote:

    Forced-off-row types require only a 16-byte pointer.  The 2-byte variable-length overhead per pointer, though, causes even fewer than 500 columns to be possible [I thought SQL would be able to do away with the lengths with "out of row" pointers, being fixed length and data length in the LOB itself, but apparently not).  Thus, you can have "only" 443 nvarchar(max) columns in a single table.

    Of course it would be much better to restructure the table to just use one value per row.

    Ah, correct.  I was in the middle of reading a snippet of Kalen Delaney's book on internals and didn't "scroll up" to read where she says it's 24 bytes only when you have a length filter on it to force anything over a certain length out of row.  Normally, it will be 16 bytes.

    However, I've just discovered through some testing that there's a hidden rather large cost in In-Row bytes of any MAX datatype that's a whole lot more than 16 or 24 bytes plus the 2 that most people consider (as you pointed out).  I'm on my way to work so I have to wait until tonight to cleanup the test code for posting and post it.

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • p.s.  We both may be right.  According to Paul Randal, "It Depends" and can be 16 or 24 depending on the datatype.  Please see the following.

    https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/topic/lob-pointers-am-i-stupid/#post-1354312

    To add to that, I don't actually have to post the code that I was testing because there's a post right below Paul's that explains the hidden cost.

    https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/topic/lob-pointers-am-i-stupid/#post-1354313

    So I'm thinking that 433 columns is a wee bit optimistic.

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • I created a table with 433 columns: that's where I got the number from.  I was hoping that 500 might be possible but the variable-length byte overhead still being required killed that idea.

    The very link you cite confirms that it will be 16 bytes for forced-off-of-page values:

    So when does it store a regular 16 byte LOB pointer? Only when you set the "large value types out of row" table setting to ON:

    sp_tableoption N'MyTable', 'large value types out of row', 'ON'

    At this point, no matter the size of the value it will be stored as a LOB value using a 16 byte LOB pointer.

    SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

  • ScottPletcher wrote:

    I created a table with 433 columns: that's where I got the number from.  I was hoping that 500 might be possible but the variable-length byte overhead still being required killed that idea.

    The very link you cite confirms that it will be 16 bytes for forced-off-of-page values:

    So when does it store a regular 16 byte LOB pointer? Only when you set the "large value types out of row" table setting to ON:

    sp_tableoption N'MyTable', 'large value types out of row', 'ON'

    At this point, no matter the size of the value it will be stored as a LOB value using a 16 byte LOB pointer.

    Agreed if the "large value types out of row" table setting is ON.  I didn't realize you were using the option.  If it's not, then the pointer will be 24 bytes plus some extra overhead depending on the length of the data.  Mark has a great explanation of the overhead if you don't force "out of row" at the following link (took a bit to find it because his link on the SSC post is broken).

    http://improve.dk/what-is-the-size-of-the-lob-pointer-for-max-types-like-varchar-varbinary-etc/

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

    Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.


    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

  • Agreed.  Be nice if MS added the option to the CREATE TABLE statement, so that SQL would "know" that the variable length bytes are not needed at all for the forced-off-row columns, something like:

    CREATE TABLE ... ( ... ) WITH ( LARGE_VALUE_TYPES_OUT_OF_ROW = ON );

    Then again, with properly normalized tables, I can't imagine ever needing more than 10 (if that many?) max-length columns in one row.

    SQL DBA,SQL Server MVP(07, 08, 09) "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear." "Norm", on "Cheers". Also from "Cheers", from "Carla": "You need to know 3 things about Tortelli men: Tortelli men draw women like flies; Tortelli men treat women like flies; Tortelli men's brains are in their flies".

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