Can Data Save the World?

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Can Data Save the World?

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xsevensinzx One Orange Chip Points: 25560 More actions · Answer 1

David.Poole - Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:26 AM
Jeff Moden - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:30 PM
We just need to find people that know how to use the data correctly and then stop beating on them just because they're the minority.
Do you think that is a realistic proposition?

I believe it's realistic. I actually think the biggest hurdles is the business adapting to using and executing on the data from said professionals. It can be a major change in process for the business. Like for example, making tough decisions that may impact the general operations.

jay-h SSCoach Points: 18816 More actions · Answer 2

Keep in mind that the advocates of narrative data sometimes are themselves fooled by it.

https://www.americanscientist.org/article/freakonomics-what-went-wrong

https://newrepublic.com/article/62561/freaks-and-geeks-how-freakonomics-ruining-the-dismal-science

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004406 More actions · Answer 3

David.Poole - Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:26 AM
Jeff Moden - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:30 PM
We just need to find people that know how to use the data correctly and then stop beating on them just because they're the minority.
Do you think that is a realistic proposition?

No... at least not on a large scale. Even in the scientific community, there's are "band wagon", "cool kid", and "ring knocker/pedigree" effects.

--Jeff Moden

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________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

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skeleton567 SSCertifiable Points: 5875 More actions · Answer 4

Alvin Ramard - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:40 AM
It will be harder for data to save the world when people in power keep saying it's fake news!

Well, Alvin, I think you are allowing your pre-conceived bias get in the way of the reality of data, which is sort of sad for this forum. However, I will point out that practically speaking, the pointing out of 'fake news', and all the other issues that now are being brought up has been very good for all of us, yourself included if you can see what is really happening. Apparently you still have a job. While I have been retired since 2010, the past year of the new administration has seen my retirement savings show GROWTH AND INCOME of over $45k, more than I have needed to take out, and I didn't have to work a day. And my investments have grown back to where they were when I quit working.

And by comparison, my Social Security, that I PAID FOR over my entire career, will increase by a whole $14 a month for next year. What kind of raise are YOU getting?

So I think maybe YOU need to learn more about how to read and interpret some data before you go all 'looney lib' on us. 🙂

Rick
Disaster Recovery = Backup ( Backup ( Your Backup ) )

Eric M Russell SSC Guru Points: 125562 More actions · Answer 5

skeleton567 - Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:03 AM
Alvin Ramard - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:40 AM
It will be harder for data to save the world when people in power keep saying it's fake news!
Well, Alvin, I think you are allowing your pre-conceived bias get in the way of reality, which is sort of sad for this forum. However, I will point out that practically speaking, the pointing out of 'fake news', and all the other issues that now are being brought up has been very good for all of us, you included if you can see what is really happening. Apparently you still have a job. While I have been retired since 2010, the past year of the new administration has seen my retirement savings show GROWTH AND INCOME of over $45k, more than I have needed to take out, and I didn't have to work a day. And my investments have grown back to where they were when I quit working.
And by comparison, my Social Security, that I PAID FOR over my entire career, will increase by a whole $14 a month for next year. What kind of raise are YOU getting?
So I think maybe YOU need to learn more about how to read and interpret some data before you go all 'looney lib' on us. 🙂

Regarding the performance of the economy at any given moment in time, it's important to remember that "correlation does not imply causation". Both sides of the political isle would have us believe that all changes in the economy are the direct result of government policy, and the public is too willing to accept that assertion. But really the performance of your own personal retirement account has more to do with your personal choices regarding investments. Ask 100 people how their finances are doing today, and you'll get 100 different answers. Ask them again a month later, and the same people will answer differently.

"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736478 More actions · Answer 6

David.Poole - Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:26 AM
Jeff Moden - Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:30 PM
We just need to find people that know how to use the data correctly and then stop beating on them just because they're the minority.
Do you think that is a realistic proposition?

Yes, but unlikely at wide scale. Too many people invested in their own silo/process/situation.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736478 More actions · Answer 7

I don't like to remove or censor posts, but let's leave the political stuff out of here. You can comment on data, but no comments or debate on whether political decisions are good or bad. Those are opinions and there are plenty of places to discuss those.

I'll remove posts contrary to this, no matter which opinion is expressed.

dan.bridgeman Old Hand Points: 397 More actions · Answer 8

Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:45 AM
I don't like to remove or censor posts, but let's leave the political stuff out of here. You can comment on data, but no comments or debate on whether political decisions are good or bad. Those are opinions and there are plenty of places to discuss those.
I'll remove posts contrary to this, no matter which opinion is expressed.

But we're only two or three more replies away from invoking Godwin's Law.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736478 More actions · Answer 9

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December 7, 2017 at 11:00 am

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Jason A. Long SSC-Insane Points: 23786 More actions · Answer 10

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December 7, 2017 at 11:19 am

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Jason A. Long SSC-Insane Points: 23786 More actions · Answer 11

dan.bridgeman - Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:51 AM
Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:45 AM
I don't like to remove or censor posts, but let's leave the political stuff out of here. You can comment on data, but no comments or debate on whether political decisions are good or bad. Those are opinions and there are plenty of places to discuss those.
I'll remove posts contrary to this, no matter which opinion is expressed.
But we're only two or three more replies away from invoking Godwin's Law.

HighPlainsDBA SSCrazy Points: 2611 More actions · Answer 12

jay-h - Thursday, December 7, 2017 6:55 AM
Keep in mind that the advocates of narrative data sometimes are themselves fooled by it.
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/freakonomics-what-went-wrong
https://newrepublic.com/article/62561/freaks-and-geeks-how-freakonomics-ruining-the-dismal-science

Thanks for this post. "...unexamined assumptions..." is something I encounter all of the time. As a DBA, nothing has inspired me more from a DR perspective then this modern classic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_the_Highly_Improbable
It's relatively short, unpretentious, and completely brilliant.
I still need to read his "Anti-Fragile".

skeleton567 SSCertifiable Points: 5875 More actions · Answer 13

Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:45 AM
I don't like to remove or censor posts, but let's leave the political stuff out of here. You can comment on data, but no comments or debate on whether political decisions are good or bad. Those are opinions and there are plenty of places to discuss those.
I'll remove posts contrary to this, no matter which opinion is expressed.

Sorry, Steve. I just reported two empirical facts - the data. Point about data and interpretation differences illustrated.

Rick
Disaster Recovery = Backup ( Backup ( Your Backup ) )

Eric M Russell SSC Guru Points: 125562 More actions · Answer 14

I believe data can help transform the world for the better, but I also believe that at this point in time the public has access to sufficient data to make better choices. It's not the volume or quality of data that's holding us back, but instead it's limitations in the programming of our thought processes that has to do with logic and critical thinking.
Perhaps this book or something similar should be required reading in school.
https://bookofbadarguments.com/

"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho

skeleton567 SSCertifiable Points: 5875 More actions · Answer 15

Eric M Russell - Friday, December 8, 2017 8:11 AM
I believe data can help transform the world for the better, but I also believe that at this point in time the public has access to sufficient data to make better choices. It's not the volume or quality of data that's holding us back, but instead it's limitations in the programming of our thought processes that has to do with logic and critical thinking.
Perhaps this book or something similar should be required reading in school.
https://bookofbadarguments.com/

Eric, I just checked out your link above and it appears to be my favorite kind of reading. I'll probably read it this evening. Thanks.

Rick
Disaster Recovery = Backup ( Backup ( Your Backup ) )