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September 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm

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Raghavendra Mudugal SSChampion Points: 10658 More actions · Answer 1

Thank you for the question, was nice and good brain exercise on Sunday 🙂

Got the answer wrong and I kind of tricked myself into it with the INIT as it indicates that "If INIT is specified, any existing backup set on that device is overwritten..." (and RETAIN and EXPIRYDATE is not mentioned, so)

Even though I have noticed the COMPRESSION and NO_COMPRESSION, considering the INIT and it saying I thought both will succeed and but the .BAK file will contain only the 2nd database (as it is going to overwrite). If the default NOINIT was mentioned then the "Restriction" might would have apply.

So here the INIT in the second batch has no significance at all.

I couldn't test the code on my local as it is running on 2K8-R2 Express edition

Msg 1844, Level 16, State 1, Line 3

BACKUP DATABASE WITH COMPRESSION is not supported on Express Edition with Advanced Services.

EDIT;

I see here that the HEADER is untouched when the INIT is used so the information is not entirely erased and it checks to see if the media is been compressed or not.http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sql_pfe_blog/archive/2010/08/09/backup-compression-behavior-when-appending-backups-to-an-existing-media-set.aspx">

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sql_pfe_blog/archive/2010/08/09/backup-compression-behavior-when-appending-backups-to-an-existing-media-set.aspx

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demonfox SSCertifiable Points: 6289 More actions · Answer 2

nice question ... I got it wrong anyways.. was suppose to mark the another answer 🙁

I need coffee ...

thanks for the question..

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Lokesh Vij SSChampion Points: 10836 More actions · Answer 3

Wonderful question Divine. I would recommend taking a look at the following link as well:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178062.aspx

It talks about Media Sets, Media Families, and Backup Sets in SQL Server.

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Lokesh Vij SSChampion Points: 10836 More actions · Answer 4

demonfox (9/16/2012)
nice question ... I got it wrong anyways.. was suppose to mark the another answer 🙁
I need coffee

Me too got this question wrong...

Took a wrong turn on the way and reached office half an hour late...

Forgot to carry my cell phone...

My my my ...Monday morning Blues....Whoopppp! :w00t:

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Ravi SQL SSCommitted Points: 1714 More actions · Answer 5

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Good question...

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Ravi.

okbangas SSChampion Points: 11773 More actions · Answer 6

In most scenarios, I would say that both should fail as SQL Server does/should not have access to create files on the system drive, but that is a different scenario I guess. I got this wrong, because I thought init would cause an overwrite and thus allow the backup file to become uncompressed. Nice question.

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palotaiarpad SSCertifiable Points: 5617 More actions · Answer 7

I guessed and won. I thought, SQL Server stores the compression flag in the header and not at the data part of the backup. And as the header remains, the second statement must fail. Actually i didn't find any clues what else is stored in the header.

Paul White SSC Guru Points: 150467 More actions · Answer 8

Good question, I guess, though I would have preferred it without the INIT trap.

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demonfox SSCertifiable Points: 6289 More actions · Answer 9

Lokesh Vij (9/17/2012)
demonfox (9/16/2012)
nice question ... I got it wrong anyways.. was suppose to mark the another answer 🙁
I need coffee
Me too got this question wrong...
Took a wrong turn on the way and reached office half an hour late...
Forgot to carry my cell phone...
My my my ...Monday morning Blues....Whoopppp! :w00t:

forgot Cell phone !! That is more of amber than blue ;D

btw, the link you provided were really informative.

Thanks for that...

~ demonfox
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Wondering what I would do next , when I am done with this one :ermm:

Carlo Romagnano SSC-Insane Points: 22668 More actions · Answer 10

You need add the clause "FORMAT" to succeed the second statement!

BACKUP DATABASE TestDatabase_1

TO DISK = 'C:\TestDatabaseBackup.BAK'

WITH COMPRESSION

GO

BACKUP DATABASE TestDatabase_2

TO DISK = 'C:\TestDatabaseBackup.BAK'

WITH NO_COMPRESSION, INIT

, FORMAT

Divine Flame SSCoach Points: 15943 More actions · Answer 11

Carlo Romagnano (9/17/2012)
You need add the clause "FORMAT" to succeed the second statement!
BACKUP DATABASE TestDatabase_1
TO DISK = 'C:\TestDatabaseBackup.BAK'
WITH COMPRESSION
GO
BACKUP DATABASE TestDatabase_2
TO DISK = 'C:\TestDatabaseBackup.BAK'
WITH NO_COMPRESSION, INIT
, FORMAT

I left the "FORMAT" deliberately just to make people aware about the difference between FORMAT & INIT. Many people think of FORMAT & INIT as the same.

Sujeet Singh

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Lokesh Vij (9/16/2012)
Wonderful question Divine. I would recommend taking a look at the following link as well:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178062.aspx
It talks about Media Sets, Media Families, and Backup Sets in SQL Server.

Thanks for the feedback & for providing the informative link Lokesh.

Sujeet Singh

Divine Flame SSCoach Points: 15943 More actions · Answer 13

SQL Kiwi (9/17/2012)
Good question, I guess, though I would have preferred it without the INIT trap.

Thanks for the feedback Paul. Many of us (including me until I didn’t face this issue) assume that FORMAT & INIT work in the same manner, that's what prompted me to add INIT in this question. Hope it served the purpose.

Sujeet Singh

Lokesh Vij SSChampion Points: 10836 More actions · Answer 14

Thanks for the feedback & for providing the informative link Lokesh.

You are welcome Divine 🙂

~ Lokesh Vij

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