February 17, 2010 at 10:22 am
cmallain (2/17/2010)
Or...has anyone considered that some of us do not know where to look and with being thrown into situations really do not have the time to do the research and the best we can do is try to find the answer as fast as possible before we are replaced? Also, on other forums, I've been reprimanded for providing TOO much information or being told that SQL cannot be used for what I need even though I see others looking for the same information. Maybe I'm doing something wrong and maybe those who are "gurus" to forums can post an outline of ways to achieve the correct answers quickly?Isn't guidance what is supposed to be done instead of reprimand?
Check the article in my signature by Gail.
It is true that "etiquette" seems to change from forum to forum. Too much information isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is preferable though to work together to achieve the correct solution. If somebody asks a question that is poorly described and does not contain all the necessary elements to provide the best solution, then giving a working answer could be detrimental. Why? Because it may not be the correct or best answer. At SSC, the idea is to help and do it for the OP.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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February 17, 2010 at 10:22 am
Not sure what happened, working on a timewarp restore now, as soon as I can get the pwd from IT
February 17, 2010 at 10:22 am
Lynn Pettis (2/17/2010)
Just looked here: Anything that is NOT about SQL!Looks like the DBCC Timewarp thread is just gone. Curious, can it be recovered?
Quick!! Do a backup of the forums!!! Then run DBCC TimeWarp!!! 😀
For best practices on asking questions, please read the following article: Forum Etiquette: How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help[/url]
February 17, 2010 at 10:23 am
Lynn Pettis (2/17/2010)
Just looked here: Anything that is NOT about SQL!Looks like the DBCC Timewarp thread is just gone. Curious, can it be recovered?
Yup - looks like the mafia has whacked it.
Steve, did you order that hit?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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February 17, 2010 at 10:24 am
cmallain (2/17/2010)
Or...has anyone considered that some of us do not know where to look and with being thrown into situations really do not have the time to do the research and the best we can do is try to find the answer as fast as possible before we are replaced? Also, on other forums, I've been reprimanded for providing TOO much information or being told that SQL cannot be used for what I need even though I see others looking for the same information. Maybe I'm doing something wrong and maybe those who are "gurus" to forums can post an outline of ways to achieve the correct answers quickly?Isn't guidance what is supposed to be done instead of reprimand?
Two (Three if you get technical) to start with are Books Online (BOL) and Google/Bing. If that doesn't help or is too confusing, then asking for help is the next logical step. Depending on the question/problem, most of us would like to know that you have done some preliminary research before just jumping into any forums and asking questions.
As for giving too much information and getting reprimanded, it really depends on how much information you give. We don't need a book, but we need enough to understand the problem/concern you are faced with in order to assist.
February 17, 2010 at 10:25 am
Steve Jones - Editor (2/17/2010)
Not sure what happened, working on a timewarp restore now, as soon as I can get the pwd from IT
:ermm:
Wow, the thread was jealous?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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February 17, 2010 at 10:29 am
I wonder if jcrawf02 had anything to do with the missing thread? He was the last to post there :Whistling:
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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February 17, 2010 at 10:29 am
cmallain (2/17/2010)
... Also, on other forums, I've been reprimanded for providing TOO much information ...
I believe that is less likely to happen here than in some of the other forums.
For best practices on asking questions, please read the following article: Forum Etiquette: How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help[/url]
February 17, 2010 at 10:32 am
CirquedeSQLeil (2/17/2010)
I wonder if jcrawf02 had anything to do with the missing thread? He was the last to post there :Whistling:
Did he post a rollback instruction?
For best practices on asking questions, please read the following article: Forum Etiquette: How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help[/url]
February 17, 2010 at 10:32 am
CirquedeSQLeil (2/17/2010)
I think somebody just DBCC timewarped me. I lost 17 post points over night.
Don't know that I was DBCC timewarped but I left this forum last night, came back this morning and was like 100 new posts behind. Some of you all have been busy!
-- You can't be late until you show up.
February 17, 2010 at 10:38 am
cmallain (2/17/2010)
Or...has anyone considered that some of us do not know where to look and with being thrown into situations really do not have the time to do the research and the best we can do is try to find the answer as fast as possible before we are replaced? Also, on other forums, I've been reprimanded for providing TOO much information or being told that SQL cannot be used for what I need even though I see others looking for the same information. Maybe I'm doing something wrong and maybe those who are "gurus" to forums can post an outline of ways to achieve the correct answers quickly?Isn't guidance what is supposed to be done instead of reprimand?
Guidance was given. Gail and others asked for the error log to get a better idea of what had blown up to help the person recover the database. The reprimand came after the insistence that going into Emergency Mode and extracting data from tables was the only thing to do without first suggesting that looking at the SQL Error logs was a necessary step to fixing the problem and avoiding future problems.
There is a whole science and process to recovering suspect databases. Even a small amount of research on this site will let you know that ALLOW_DATA_LOSS is the LAST option.
There are articles already on this site to help posters get answers quickly. Many of the regular posters have links in their signatures to those articles. Providing error messages is part of that, although I would think it logical that if you're asking someone to fix something, the more information you can give about the problem (i.e., the error messages, what was happening, what you were trying to do, etc., at the time of the error) would help. After all, when you go to get your car fixed, hopefully you tell him, "It's making a strange noise when I turn right", rather than just dropping it off at the shop and coming by a few hours later hoping your problem is solved.
As for not knowing where to look, there's Google, there's Books Online, there's the search function on this site. With the Internet at one's fingertips, saying you don't know where to look is a bit of a copout to me.
As to not having the time, all I can say to that is you had better make the time or when your databases go up in flames because you didn't research properly, you WILL have lots of time... unpaid time.
And when it comes to providing too much data, well, follow the guidelines in these articles and then re-read your post, asking yourself if you saw the post and were able to answer it, is it clear and concise enough to get an answer? Yes, it takes some time, but then, learning does.
-- Kit
February 17, 2010 at 10:38 am
I think when the Mop was taken to clean up the SPAM, DBCC was spammed as well... 🙂
It was the THREAD who made sure that DBCC was deleted along with the other Spams....:hehe:
-Roy
February 17, 2010 at 10:38 am
Alvin Ramard (2/17/2010)
cmallain (2/17/2010)
Or...has anyone considered that some of us do not know where to look and with being thrown into situations really do not have the time to do the research and the best we can do is try to find the answer as fast as possible before we are replaced? Also, on other forums, I've been reprimanded for providing TOO much information or being told that SQL cannot be used for what I need even though I see others looking for the same information. Maybe I'm doing something wrong and maybe those who are "gurus" to forums can post an outline of ways to achieve the correct answers quickly?Isn't guidance what is supposed to be done instead of reprimand?
If you're looking for answers and do not know where to look that start off by saying so. There's plenty of people here ready to point you in the right direction.
As far as "maybe those who are "gurus" to forums can post an outline of ways to achieve the correct answers quickly?" is concerned, pay attention to the gurus' signature. Some have included links in their signature for the kind of information you're looking.
Yep, tried both of those only to still receive rude dialogue instead of assistance. Maybe it's a culture thing? Who knows. Just my two cents to add to the post with hopes that someone realizes what they are doing isn't helping.
February 17, 2010 at 10:46 am
A restore is coming from IT. I have my fingers crossed that they do as I asked and not restore over this db.
Quick, everyone say a prayer to the gods of system administration that my directions will be followed.
February 17, 2010 at 10:50 am
Steve Jones - Editor (2/17/2010)
A restore is coming from IT. I have my fingers crossed that they do as I asked and not restore over this db.Quick, everyone say a prayer to the gods of system administration that my directions will be followed.
it is futile. The thread will be assimilated and timwarped back to a previous day.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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