January 25, 2010 at 3:29 pm
you know, we could make it really complicated, and start a #threadhead hashtag on Twitter. Then we could have half a conversation there, and really confuse Steve.
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"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
January 25, 2010 at 3:31 pm
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
So since cloud computing is the answer, do you (anyone, not just Gus) agree with this statement?Seems like an odd claim to me? (but what do I know)
I don't know about the costs aspect, complexity aspect, nor the functionality aspect. All three are important in everyday business for the IT staff. I am also withholding judgement on the cloud scenarios. Using the cloud makes it a little more difficult to control your environment. Using the cloud could also reduce costs by quite a substantial amount.
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January 25, 2010 at 3:31 pm
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
you know, we could make it really complicated, and start a #threadhead hashtag on Twitter. Then we could have half a conversation there, and really confuse Steve.
You mean confuse Steve more than he is now?
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January 25, 2010 at 3:38 pm
CirquedeSQLeil (1/25/2010)
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
So since cloud computing is the answer, do you (anyone, not just Gus) agree with this statement?Seems like an odd claim to me? (but what do I know)
I don't know about the costs aspect, complexity aspect, nor the functionality aspect. All three are important in everyday business for the IT staff. I am also withholding judgement on the cloud scenarios. Using the cloud makes it a little more difficult to control your environment. Using the cloud could also reduce costs by quite a substantial amount.
I guess I get the cost, but I'm not seeing how cloud computing could make it LESS complex. Or maybe he's just saying that his actual employees (as opposed to a vendor, etc) would have less complexity because you're throwing the hardware issues over the wall to MS or whomever is hosting.
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How best to post your question[/url]
How to post performance problems[/url]
Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]
"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
January 25, 2010 at 3:42 pm
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (1/25/2010)
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
So since cloud computing is the answer, do you (anyone, not just Gus) agree with this statement?Seems like an odd claim to me? (but what do I know)
I don't know about the costs aspect, complexity aspect, nor the functionality aspect. All three are important in everyday business for the IT staff. I am also withholding judgement on the cloud scenarios. Using the cloud makes it a little more difficult to control your environment. Using the cloud could also reduce costs by quite a substantial amount.
I guess I get the cost, but I'm not seeing how cloud computing could make it LESS complex. Or maybe he's just saying that his actual employees (as opposed to a vendor, etc) would have less complexity because you're throwing the hardware issues over the wall to MS or whomever is hosting.
The only place I see it being less complex is with the hardware and configs of the hardware. Costs are dramatically less. Where does one take less cost over less control? (Most of the time, I'm sure - but protecting the environment is a very high priority)
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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January 25, 2010 at 4:37 pm
A new way to confuse Steve? BRILLIANT!!
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January 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
The Dixie Flatline (1/25/2010)
Hello...Hello...
Is this thing on?
Norm! 😀
Thanks, Jon. 😀
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January 26, 2010 at 3:01 am
Steve, could you give this call a nudge - it appears to be stuck....
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost853470.aspx
The same message three times in a row - he's determined someone will write it for him.
January 26, 2010 at 3:31 am
BrainDonor (1/26/2010)
Steve, could you give this call a nudge - it appears to be stuck....http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost853470.aspx
The same message three times in a row - he's determined someone will write it for him.
I could not resist. Serves him right.
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January 26, 2010 at 3:35 am
Paul White (1/26/2010)
BrainDonor (1/26/2010)
Steve, could you give this call a nudge - it appears to be stuck....http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost853470.aspx
The same message three times in a row - he's determined someone will write it for him.
I could not resist. Serves him right.
Wait until his teacher sees that one!
January 26, 2010 at 4:05 am
BrainDonor (1/26/2010)
Paul White (1/26/2010)
Wait until his teacher sees that one!
Indeed 😉
Heh heh heh.
edit: *!@% tags!
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January 26, 2010 at 6:15 am
jcrawf02 (1/25/2010)
So since cloud computing is the answer, do you (anyone, not just Gus) agree with this statement?Seems like an odd claim to me? (but what do I know)
Every iteration of computing is designed to do exactly that.
First, there were clay tablets, and they were intended to allow users to focus on their actual business, instead of having to remember inventories in their heads.
Then the abacus came along, and the clay tablet professionals, especially those with certs in the area, all probably said, "they'll never amount to anything". The purpose of the abacus was to remove some of the complexity of accounting and adding and pricing and all that, and let the business focus on doing business.
And so on and so forth.
Sometimes it works out well, sometimes not. I don't know what was competing with the abacus, but given the nature of human ingenuity, I'm sure there were dozens of "not-an-abacus" products. The question is, was the abacus it's age's equivalent of Windows (huge market share, hated by rabid fans of alternate products), or was it a Mac (very small but highly vocal fan base, with a really good rep for reliability but just not as popular as some cheaper alternative), or Linux (only existed because of religious-style hatred of whatever was the more popular product)?
Cloud computing is just yet another "will make things easier and better for the business" iteration.
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January 26, 2010 at 6:57 am
"not-an-abacus" - they had to count sheep, but they wouldn't stand still, so they had to slaughter them, and then by the time you were done counting, you were broke. 😀
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Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]
"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
January 26, 2010 at 7:25 am
Too late to nudge, someone answered. I wish they wouldn't do that. Encourages laziness.
January 26, 2010 at 9:33 am
"I've never heard of that term. Here are some suggestions anyway"
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost853704.aspx
This time it's not the question that's bad....
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