September 17, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Well, he did apologize, but I'm not sure if there was enough grovelling. 😛
September 17, 2009 at 1:43 pm
john.arnott (9/17/2009)
Actually, as an application developer, the very first sentence got under my skin, saying the db was designed by developers, as if that makes it obvious that it must be poorly done. I have every respect possible for those who've mastered relational modeling and database design, and will use them when possible (an advantage of working in a large organization), but cannot abide such supercillious comments from anyone, especially when he goes on to plainly demonstrate his own lack of knowledge.
I think that probably shows you're an exception to the rule. They say the same about developers and graphics / UI design...
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September 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Lynn Pettis (9/17/2009)
Well, he did apologize, but I'm not sure if there was enough grovelling. 😛
As you say, he did appologize... which is more than quite a few others have done, so I'm happy to cross him off my "do not touch" list.
September 17, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Busy with life is a good thing. Thanks Grant and Steve.
Lynn, I will go read it now.
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September 17, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Grant Fritchey (9/17/2009)
lmu92 (9/17/2009)
Now that's obviously an OP "who knows how to behave".... Calling Jeff a .... (my fingers actually refuse to retype the word and cut and paste won't work either).Combined with the attitude the OP shows when trying to teach J-F Bergeron on how a cross join works it's one of the worst OP's I've seen for a while. For a long while.
Actually, I think that one was just a misunderstanding. He didn't get that Jeff was showing him how to set up a test for his index... I think. That's why I kept helping. I don't bother rebuking (or I try not to) if they get out of hand. I just go away.
It was a gross misunderstanding on his part but, as I explained after his apology, I can understand his misunderstanding. Understand? 😛
When folks see something so odd as the cross-join data generation code for the first time that we all use now and again, I can understand someone maybe jumping the gun. I've been under the weather for the last day and knew that if I responded immediately, it would likely contain a pork chop or two. I'm glad I waited until I felt better.
I've gotta say it again... the other folks on that thread did a great job without getting incensed by the moment. Thanks for the help and the very kind words. It's one of the reasons I call SSC "home".
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September 17, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Just an FYI for the denizens of The Thread, next Tuesday I have another article being republished here on ssc as well. Keep an eye out as I am looking for feedback on it as well. 😉
September 18, 2009 at 4:11 am
Lynn Pettis (9/17/2009)
Just an FYI for the denizens of The Thread, next Tuesday I have another article being republished here on ssc as well. Keep an eye out as I am looking for feedback on it as well. 😉
I missed your recent one somehow, Lynn - is it easy to find?
I must admit I don't always read the list of daily articles - even to see who has written what :blush:
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September 18, 2009 at 4:15 am
Lynn Pettis (9/17/2009)
Just an FYI for the denizens of The Thread, next Tuesday I have another article being republished here on ssc as well. Keep an eye out as I am looking for feedback on it as well. 😉
FWIW, I thought your article was good! 😀
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September 18, 2009 at 5:08 am
Lynn,
I did read your latest article and it was good. I usually only comment on the ones that have what I believe to be a bad practice in them or ones that really hit what I'm working on. The best part is the inclusion of the TX log backup.
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September 18, 2009 at 6:40 am
Lynn Pettis (9/17/2009)
Just an FYI for the denizens of The Thread, next Tuesday I have another article being republished here on ssc as well. Keep an eye out as I am looking for feedback on it as well. 😉
Three is the magic number. When are you going to submit an abstract for an article in the SQL Server Standard?
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September 18, 2009 at 7:05 am
Found the article!
Maybe it's because I've been unusually busy at work this week, but I must say I found some of the comments left for you quite irritating.
Specifically it's the ones that don't consider what the article is about, and just say 'oh you should use partitioning' or the simple recovery model. Sigh. If the server were Enterprise, and the table had been partitioned to begin with, and so on and so on. The odd thing about it that presumably they set out to make themselves look smart - and wind up looking very dumb. About the only good comment was from the guy who mentioned potential lock escalation.
Whenever I consider writing for SSC, two things put me off:
1. The submission process itself; and
2. The daft comments
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September 18, 2009 at 7:06 am
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September 18, 2009 at 7:13 am
September 18, 2009 at 7:17 am
Paul White (9/18/2009)
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Don't you know their screens are upside down? I had to press Ctrl-Alt-Down Arrow to read it though.:-)
September 18, 2009 at 7:21 am
Paul White (9/18/2009)
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I'm a lot more curious as to how you do this...?
Great trick though. 🙂
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