November 22, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Jack Corbett (11/22/2008)
That would be great to have. Certainly will reduce my time on-line. Look forward to seeing it somewhere.
I didn't write it. I found it somewhere online. Can't recall name or site right now.
Yeah, you definitely traveled a loooong way to make it to PASS. Would you do it even if you weren't presenting?
I registered for the conference in June. I was asked to present in September.
Gail Shaw
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November 22, 2008 at 8:23 pm
But we'd be happy to have Gail write a book if she would 🙂
A book is a long project, and it's tough. Many, many people struggle with it. I've been called in to finish 3 of them over the last 10 years.
November 22, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
GAAAA!!!http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic606992-65-1.aspx
Yep, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck...
Heh... the kinder gentler me posted on that one, thought better of it, and deleted the post.
I won't tell you what the real "me" wants to do... 😛
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November 22, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (11/22/2008)
But we'd be happy to have Gail write a book if she would 🙂
We certainly would. I think, if I recall from some posts or her blog correctly, that she has contributed to a book recently. I would guess that is the first step.
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November 22, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Is that true, Gail? Is there a book out there with your good name in it as a co-author?
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November 22, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
Is that true, Gail? Is there a book out there with your good name in it as a co-author?
Co-author, no. I've contributed to a book project, that's all.
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November 23, 2008 at 12:46 am
Heh, heh. That's how they transmit the virus. Resistance is futile.:alien:
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November 23, 2008 at 6:43 am
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
Ok... Going way back to the original post on this thread, lemme ask what you folks think... read the original post on the following thread... don't read the other posts, yet... just read the original post...http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic604064-146-1.aspx#bm604064
Now, a couple of questions...
1. Are these questions "interview questions" that someone was asked during an interview, or are these questions that someone was asked on the job?
2. Should a senior DBA be able to answer those questions without having to resort to a forum?
3. If you needed answers to those questions, what would YOU do to find the answers? Would you take the time to find out on your own or just post to a forum because you're "too busy"?
4. Is the person that posted these questions a Sr. DBA in truth or in title only?
Ok... read down in the posts and find the OP's responses to answer the final question...
5. Is the OP an arrogant dumba$$ and discredit to the word "DBA" or not? Don't you secretly envision having this dude tied to a chair with a couple of buckets of porkchops at the ready for some point blank range target practice? 😛
I think that thread is a typical example of what Michael Earl (the OP of this thread) was talking about...
1. Those sure looked like interview questions, not a "typical" day at the office type of stuff that comes up
2. Yes & no. Certainly the first question should just start rolling off your tongue, even if you're addressing the issue in a slow, wrong, or inefficient manner, you should have some basic troubleshooting mechanisms. But, on the other hand, my answers to the log shipping question might be along the lines of "I don't know" or "I'd have to hit books online" or "I might post that question." Although, again, the last question should be answerable by a senior dba.
3. If I needed that information, I'd start with BOL. Then I'd likely look to "Inside TSQL Programming" I think it has a section on log shipping. Then I'd do a Google search to see if anyone I trusted had posted on it. Then I'd do a specific search on MSDN to see if MS has any white papers (they don't show up on Google searches sometimes or are more than the 3-4 pages in I look at normally). Finally, if I were stuck, I would either post here or I might send an email if I knew someone that knew more about log shipping than I did.
4. That didn't sound like a senior dba to me, no.
5. I'm pretty hesitant about using the phrase "arrogant dumba$$" on anyone since I feel I far to frequently hit that mark. However, tie him down, I'll toss pork chops.
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November 23, 2008 at 6:43 am
Jack Corbett (11/22/2008)[/b...Yeah, you definitely traveled a loooong way to make it to PASS. Would you do it even if you weren't presenting?
PASS is always a hard week because of the jetlag.
But up intil now it has always been worth the suffering.:w00t:
I save it as my (only) yearly technical upgrade appart from BOL, SQLforums or some books.
It's a petty I had to cancel one week before departure 🙁
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November 23, 2008 at 6:50 am
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
Ok... Going way back to the original post on this thread, lemme ask what you folks think... read the original post on the following thread... don't read the other posts, yet... just read the original post...http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic604064-146-1.aspx#bm604064
Now, a couple of questions...
1. Are these questions "interview questions" that someone was asked during an interview, or are these questions that someone was asked on the job?
2. Should a senior DBA be able to answer those questions without having to resort to a forum?
3. If you needed answers to those questions, what would YOU do to find the answers? Would you take the time to find out on your own or just post to a forum because you're "too busy"?
4. Is the person that posted these questions a Sr. DBA in truth or in title only?
Ok... read down in the posts and find the OP's responses to answer the final question...
5. Is the OP an arrogant dumba$$ and discredit to the word "DBA" or not? Don't you secretly envision having this dude tied to a chair with a couple of buckets of porkchops at the ready for some point blank range target practice? 😛
I think that thread is a typical example of what Michael Earl (the OP of this thread) was talking about...
OK. I just read through all the posts. I can probably go with the AD phrase above because of the guys (I assume it's a guy) wretched responses. I'm too busy to learn how to keep the log from growing? No. I'm actually not too busy to learn that one. I'm too busy to learn how to figure out how to troubleshoot performance issues? You know, again, I'd have to say, no, I'm not too busy to learn that one either.
Actually, I'm feeling a bit snarky this morning. I'll finish my comments over there.
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November 23, 2008 at 7:02 am
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
GAAAA!!!http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic606992-65-1.aspx
And yet, there is Gail, answering his questions... Amazing. I wouldn't even bother with a response on one like that.
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November 23, 2008 at 7:05 am
GilaMonster (11/22/2008)
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
But none of us has written a book like some of the good folks we know. 😉And he's writing another one. A full, published dead-tree book...
Re-writing one. That means it's only about 500 pages of work instead of the full 600.
Plus, I know someone else who will be published shortly. Can't wait to read it. Actually, pretty desperate, the deadlock chapter comes up in two weeks! You may see me attempting to answer a few of the deadlock posts as they come up.
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November 23, 2008 at 7:11 am
Grant Fritchey (11/23/2008)
OK. I just read through all the posts. I can probably go with the AD phrase above because of the guys (I assume it's a guy) wretched responses. I'm too busy to learn how to keep the log from growing? No. I'm actually not too busy to learn that one. I'm too busy to learn how to figure out how to troubleshoot performance issues? You know, again, I'd have to say, no, I'm not too busy to learn that one either.Actually, I'm feeling a bit snarky this morning. I'll finish my comments over there.
Heh... NOW you understand where I'm going with all of this... folks that post questions like this guy did almost ALWAYS feel that someone owes them a living and then they either remind everyone that they're a Sr. DBA or they have a laundry list of titles after their name. You can just see it coming.
Heh... I remember... we had ways of dealing with folks like this in Little Rhody... 😉
... not that someone like this would have ever made it into our shop. 🙂
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November 23, 2008 at 7:19 am
Jeff Moden (11/23/2008)
Grant Fritchey (11/23/2008)
OK. I just read through all the posts. I can probably go with the AD phrase above because of the guys (I assume it's a guy) wretched responses. I'm too busy to learn how to keep the log from growing? No. I'm actually not too busy to learn that one. I'm too busy to learn how to figure out how to troubleshoot performance issues? You know, again, I'd have to say, no, I'm not too busy to learn that one either.Actually, I'm feeling a bit snarky this morning. I'll finish my comments over there.
Heh... NOW you understand where I'm going with all of this... folks that post questions like this guy did almost ALWAYS feel that someone owes them a living and then they either remind everyone that they're a Sr. DBA or they have a laundry list of titles after their name. You can just see it coming.
Heh... I remember... we had ways of dealing with folks like this in Little Rhody... 😉
... not that someone like this would have ever made it into our shop. 🙂
Unfortunately, those guys are out there. I don't think most of the people who post here, even the ones that post blatant, obvious, easily found in BOL, questions are like that guy. But there are a few.
And no, based on his responses, he wouldn't be in our shop either.
But, no more snark for me. I'll either be patient and kind or ignore them. But I have to say, slapping someone up side the head every so often is just satisying.
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November 23, 2008 at 9:31 am
Grant Fritchey (11/23/2008)
Actually, I'm feeling a bit snarky this morning. I'll finish my comments over there.
Likewise, as my reply to the thread Jeff called out shows. I'll blame it on been around sooooo many SQL professionals and gurus for the last week.
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