June 28, 2018 at 11:53 am
TomThomson - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:13 AMSean Lange - Wednesday, June 27, 2018 9:38 AMThom A - Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:57 AMSean Lange - Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:45 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, June 27, 2018 8:00 AMFor a moment, I thought that 28 degrees was way too hot for a beer. Then I remembered that you don't use Celsius. 😀Heh I should have been specific. 🙂 So then I thought maybe I should look it up. I was incorrect on the temperature. It is served at 29F, not 28.
As an ale drinker, 28C is a little warm as well, however, this time of year it doesn't stay lukewarm (cold ale, yuck!) for long.
But 28F is so cold you can barely taste it. Although for some beers that would be preferred. 😀
I have always believed that any beer normally served at 49F or lower tempersture is served at that temperature because it tastes pretty foul and the coldness tends to numb taste-buds and inhibit the sense of smell. Beer that tasted that foul was said (back in the 1960s) to suffer from Kangaroo Valley Beer Disease, a name derived from the beers sold (typically below 30F) in a part of London (Earl's Court) where most pubs served up foul Australian lagers (because a lot of Australians drank there). Later on I when I visited the USA in teh 80s and 90s I discoved that most American beers either tasted as if they suffered from KVBD or were served so cold that they couldn't be tasted - but beer things seemed to have improved in the USA when I visted there quite often between 2002 and 2009 (although the USA went down hill a in other ways: the revised imigration check system after the abolishment of the previous visa system was utterly barbarous).
Some beers are quite drinkable at quite high temperatures - even as high as 25C but only if the air temperature is at least a couple of degrees higher than the beer temperature.I would say that if a beer is served beow
I totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
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June 28, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Sean Lange - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:53 AMI totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
And don't forget the loony left clowns.
June 28, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Lynn Pettis - Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:05 PMSean Lange - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:53 AMI totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
And don't forget the loony left clowns.
We'd all move to the UK, but......
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June 28, 2018 at 12:35 pm
I've spit out a whole lot of craft beers and imports. Although I'll freely admit to an unsophisticated palette, I've never spit out a Bud or PBR. As for warm or cold, I prefer mine cold. It's not right or wrong... it's just what I like.
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Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
June 28, 2018 at 1:02 pm
On the vacation planning thing, it seems most of the respondents wives do the planning, often in advance. I've found the wife and I are the opposite. I'll start planning a year or more in advance, while the wife will tend to not worry about it until closer to the trip.
Drives me bonkers when that happens, which is why I tend to plan all our trips...
June 28, 2018 at 2:15 pm
jasona.work - Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:02 PMOn the vacation planning thing, it seems most of the respondents wives do the planning, often in advance. I've found the wife and I are the opposite. I'll start planning a year or more in advance, while the wife will tend to not worry about it until closer to the trip.Drives me bonkers when that happens, which is why I tend to plan all our trips...
My wife is definitely the planner. In some aspects it is really cool because she sometimes finds some really cool things that might otherwise have been missed but at the same time it is more difficult to just let things happen.
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June 28, 2018 at 3:01 pm
jonathan.crawford - Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:18 PMLynn Pettis - Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:05 PMSean Lange - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:53 AMI totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
And don't forget the loony left clowns.
We'd all move to the UK, but......
Please don't remind me about Brexit... I'm still in hope that we'll get another vote.
Back on the beer subject, I personally really like a hoppy ale. I admit, I do like a stout as well, but if I get the choice of a hoppy ale, that'll win hand over foot. Buy me a Badger ale though, and you can't go wrong (apart from a Blandford Flyer, not a fan of liquorice).
Thom~
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June 28, 2018 at 3:58 pm
We made no real plans, ended up with a wonderful three full days in Cork.
Local hiking and the Jameson Experience
A day at the Cliffs of Moher, which was my favorite:
A final day in Baltimore, Ireland. A little hiking and enjoying a view of the North Atlantic
June 28, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Sean Lange - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:53 AMTomThomson - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:13 AMI have always believed that any beer normally served at 49F or lower tempersture is served at that temperature because it tastes pretty foul and the coldness tends to numb taste-buds and inhibit the sense of smell. Beer that tasted that foul was said (back in the 1960s) to suffer from Kangaroo Valley Beer Disease, a name derived from the beers sold (typically below 30F) in a part of London (Earl's Court) where most pubs served up foul Australian lagers (because a lot of Australians drank there). Later on I when I visited the USA in teh 80s and 90s I discoved that most American beers either tasted as if they suffered from KVBD or were served so cold that they couldn't be tasted - but beer things seemed to have improved in the USA when I visted there quite often between 2002 and 2009 (although the USA went down hill a in other ways: the revised imigration check system after the abolishment of the previous visa system was utterly barbarous).
Some beers are quite drinkable at quite high temperatures - even as high as 25C but only if the air temperature is at least a couple of degrees higher than the beer temperature.I totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
Actually politics was irrelevant to the deterioration in the imigration system I was referring to., It was a decision by bureaucrats to "simplify" the checks at the borders (actually mostly at airports) so as to reduce costs (sold to the politicians by bureaucrats as money-saving and reducing queues at borders. As usual (in every country I'm aware of) "simplify" used by bureaucrats meant "make all checks as difficult and tedious as the worst current cases are, and make everyone go though them frequently instead of rarely", abolishing the numerous types of visas (like my "in perpetuity" buisness visa as well as other much less long-lasting visas) in the so-called "visa-waiver" program and requiring everyone to go through what as effectively an on-the-spot visa application on arrival at the border. At first that didn't do a lot of harm, as existing visas continued to be recognised and accepted, so the majority of people arriving at an airport could be let in very rapidly. But after some years the imigration service decided that existing visas would be cancelled at the frontier when used (but allow the holders in when they used a not yet cancelled visa, because they were at the border before it was cancelled), apparently without regard for the Secretary of State's direction that visas would be valid for whatever period was defined in the visas, and that resulted quite soonat the imigration queue from hell everytime anyone like me landed in the USA.
And this was decades between Trump and decades before Obama, so no blaming either of them for it please.
Tom
June 28, 2018 at 6:30 pm
Thom A - Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:01 PMPlease don't remind me about Brexit... I'm still in hope that we'll get another vote.
Back on the beer subject, I personally really like a hoppy ale. I admit, I do like a stout as well, but if I get the choice of a hoppy ale, that'll win hand over foot. Buy me a Badger ale though, and you can't go wrong (apart from a Blandford Flyer, not a fan of liquorice).
It's rather unlikely that we'll get another vote, because the Brexiteers who claimed we could get out of Europe and produce enormous savings of expense and recovery of sovreignty without the appalling costs of leaving the customs union and the single market and thus managed to persuade enough people to vote for leave and got 37% of the voters to support them will continue to claim (falsely) that a majority of the British people voted to get out of the EC including getting out of the cutsoms union and the single market and there are enough of them (fully supported by the vicious right wing press) to scare other MPs into supporting their idiocy despite what sane MPs (and the house of Lords) try to achieve - their vituperative opposition to a referendum on a negotiated settlement or on exit without an agreed settlement is essential to their ardent desire to have their way whatever the British people think.
On beer, I tend to drink wine. But not in California, as I regard California's sweet Rosé and tasteless Red as two crimes against wine-making. I rarely drink white other than Italian, French, Spanish and German; France, Spain, Italy, Bulgaria, Germany etcetera can all make decent Rosé and Red. When I do drink beer, in Spain I drink mostly Guiness and some Spanish light lagers, in Scotland dark heavies or stouts, in England Guiness, stout, porter, mild and sometimes bitter (but not excessively hoppy bitter), in France bottled unhoppy lagers, and in Germany Weissbier. But my beer-drinking days are far fewer than they were twenty years ago and fewer than they were 10 years ago. I've swung onto wine, mostly. Except when I'm on whisky or brandy; or things like Ron Miel or Banana Licor, or Ricard or Schnapps or even some strange Czech stuff.
Tom
June 29, 2018 at 4:16 am
I have a perfmon / PAL template issue over at https://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/1971907/Perfmon-and-PAL-template-issue. If anyone could assist, I'd greatly appreciate it.
June 29, 2018 at 6:32 am
TomThomson - Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:19 PMSean Lange - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:53 AMTomThomson - Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:13 AMI have always believed that any beer normally served at 49F or lower tempersture is served at that temperature because it tastes pretty foul and the coldness tends to numb taste-buds and inhibit the sense of smell. Beer that tasted that foul was said (back in the 1960s) to suffer from Kangaroo Valley Beer Disease, a name derived from the beers sold (typically below 30F) in a part of London (Earl's Court) where most pubs served up foul Australian lagers (because a lot of Australians drank there). Later on I when I visited the USA in teh 80s and 90s I discoved that most American beers either tasted as if they suffered from KVBD or were served so cold that they couldn't be tasted - but beer things seemed to have improved in the USA when I visted there quite often between 2002 and 2009 (although the USA went down hill a in other ways: the revised imigration check system after the abolishment of the previous visa system was utterly barbarous).
Some beers are quite drinkable at quite high temperatures - even as high as 25C but only if the air temperature is at least a couple of degrees higher than the beer temperature.I totally agree about US beer in the 80s and 90s. It was horrific. And the beer across the board has been steadily improving over the last 20 years. There are lots and lots of craft breweries around. My only issue is that most of the craft beers have this absurd affinity for hops. They like to make them as overly hoppy as possible. I for one really dislike hoppy beer and it can even cause my stomach to want it to exit rapidly. Beers like a standard IPA are entirely too hoppy for me. I prefer dark beers like brown ales, porters and stouts.
And to keep things remotely civil lets avoid discussing US politics. Saying it went downhill on the political side is an incredible understatement, it is currently more like a 3-ring circus with P.T. Trump as the ring leader.
Actually politics was irrelevant to the deterioration in the imigration system I was referring to., It was a decision by bureaucrats to "simplify" the checks at the borders (actually mostly at airports) so as to reduce costs (sold to the politicians by bureaucrats as money-saving and reducing queues at borders. As usual (in every country I'm aware of) "simplify" used by bureaucrats meant "make all checks as difficult and tedious as the worst current cases are, and make everyone go though them frequently instead of rarely", abolishing the numerous types of visas (like my "in perpetuity" buisness visa as well as other much less long-lasting visas) in the so-called "visa-waiver" program and requiring everyone to go through what as effectively an on-the-spot visa application on arrival at the border. At first that didn't do a lot of harm, as existing visas continued to be recognised and accepted, so the majority of people arriving at an airport could be let in very rapidly. But after some years the imigration service decided that existing visas would be cancelled at the frontier when used (but allow the holders in when they used a not yet cancelled visa, because they were at the border before it was cancelled), apparently without regard for the Secretary of State's direction that visas would be valid for whatever period was defined in the visas, and that resulted quite soonat the imigration queue from hell everytime anyone like me landed in the USA.
And this was decades between Trump and decades before Obama, so no blaming either of them for it please.
Thanks Carter! (was I close?)
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June 29, 2018 at 6:50 am
What is it with me and my recent phones? So maybe a year ago, I dropped my phone on the floor at home (tile) and the screen cracked and failed. I got it replaced and all was good. Then yesterday I plug the phone in to charge, unplug it to go run some errands, the phone felt almost hot. So, I powered it off, planning to power it on again when I got to the store.
Except, it wouldn't power on. Got it home, tried a few steps from the manufacturers troubleshooting, with no joy. Now, the phone, like so many now, doesn't have a user-replaceable battery (at least not without potentially trashing the phone,) so that's not an option to try. Contacted the manufacturer (again,) they're looking into what warranty options (if any) I may have.
And I go on a one-week mandatory work "training" course in two weeks...
Which means I may have to pick up a pay-as-you-go phone so I can stay in touch with the wife while I'm gone...
I've never had a need for the "phone protection plans" that get pushed...
Until now...
June 29, 2018 at 7:10 am
jasona.work - Friday, June 29, 2018 6:50 AMWhat is it with me and my recent phones? So maybe a year ago, I dropped my phone on the floor at home (tile) and the screen cracked and failed. I got it replaced and all was good. Then yesterday I plug the phone in to charge, unplug it to go run some errands, the phone felt almost hot. So, I powered it off, planning to power it on again when I got to the store.Except, it wouldn't power on. Got it home, tried a few steps from the manufacturers troubleshooting, with no joy. Now, the phone, like so many now, doesn't have a user-replaceable battery (at least not without potentially trashing the phone,) so that's not an option to try. Contacted the manufacturer (again,) they're looking into what warranty options (if any) I may have.
And I go on a one-week mandatory work "training" course in two weeks...
Which means I may have to pick up a pay-as-you-go phone so I can stay in touch with the wife while I'm gone...
I've never had a need for the "phone protection plans" that get pushed...
Until now...
Watch out, might be coming in 3s. I think I broke 3 phones in a year one time, 2 in a few weeks. Knock on wood, I've had pretty good luck for the last decade, though I did drop a phone last year and crack the screen.
June 29, 2018 at 7:14 am
jasona.work - Friday, June 29, 2018 6:50 AMWhat is it with me and my recent phones? So maybe a year ago, I dropped my phone on the floor at home (tile) and the screen cracked and failed. I got it replaced and all was good. Then yesterday I plug the phone in to charge, unplug it to go run some errands, the phone felt almost hot. So, I powered it off, planning to power it on again when I got to the store.Except, it wouldn't power on. Got it home, tried a few steps from the manufacturers troubleshooting, with no joy. Now, the phone, like so many now, doesn't have a user-replaceable battery (at least not without potentially trashing the phone,) so that's not an option to try. Contacted the manufacturer (again,) they're looking into what warranty options (if any) I may have.
And I go on a one-week mandatory work "training" course in two weeks...
Which means I may have to pick up a pay-as-you-go phone so I can stay in touch with the wife while I'm gone...
I've never had a need for the "phone protection plans" that get pushed...
Until now...
My wife got suckered into the protection plan when she bought her first iphone (iphone 6). She complained about it but didn't cancel it for a couple years or so and then her phone overheated while charging once and it started acting weird until it totally bricked. She took it in and the replaced it with a brand new phone free of charge. Would have cost several hundred dollars to replace it and she was thrilled. I of course had to come along and ruin the parade. I added up how much she had spent on the protection plan to that point and it was more than they said it would have cost to buy one outright. Not sure the protection plan worked out too well.
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