November 13, 2017 at 7:33 am
Sean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:26 AMSadly this is much like professors in the technical arena. The "good one's" don't teach because they are making actual money in the field. As such, the less competent ones tend to end up as the ones teaching and providing examples to the students. This is a vicious circle because the quality of instruction tends to drop over time in this model which causes the overall quality of software to decrease as a result of inferior learning. Now if we could manage to find a way to pay our teachers (at all levels) a reasonable salary this would probably level out.
Summed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
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November 13, 2017 at 7:41 am
Phil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:26 AMSadly this is much like professors in the technical arena. The "good one's" don't teach because they are making actual money in the field. As such, the less competent ones tend to end up as the ones teaching and providing examples to the students. This is a vicious circle because the quality of instruction tends to drop over time in this model which causes the overall quality of software to decrease as a result of inferior learning. Now if we could manage to find a way to pay our teachers (at all levels) a reasonable salary this would probably level out.Summed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
And those who can't teach, coach.
I must be a lousy teacher because I have been coaching soccer for a decade now. 😉 Not sure how well that is working though and I can't seem to find a lower level for me to sink to.
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November 13, 2017 at 8:08 am
Sean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:18 AMLynn Pettis - Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:09 AMWell, I slept pretty well last night. Not sure if the four shots of Fireball had anything to do with that. 😀:hehe:I imagine you did sleep well since you don't drink. How is your dad doing?
Seems to be doing better but was moved to ICU on Thursday due to his heart, it was racing. Started to experience delirium while in ICU, thought they were trying to poison him. Despite all that, heart is better, pain level seems to be coming down, may even move out of ICU today. Still not sure where the cancer came from that attacked his bone.
November 13, 2017 at 8:11 am
Sean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:41 AMPhil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:26 AMSadly this is much like professors in the technical arena. The "good one's" don't teach because they are making actual money in the field. As such, the less competent ones tend to end up as the ones teaching and providing examples to the students. This is a vicious circle because the quality of instruction tends to drop over time in this model which causes the overall quality of software to decrease as a result of inferior learning. Now if we could manage to find a way to pay our teachers (at all levels) a reasonable salary this would probably level out.Summed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
And those who can't teach, coach.
I must be a lousy teacher because I have been coaching soccer for a decade now. 😉 Not sure how well that is working though and I can't seem to find a lower level for me to sink to.
I coach and officiate soccer. Where does that put me? Just an aside, I think all coaches should be certified and active referees as well. Would help them learn the game better as well as put them on the other side of the ref/coach dynamic.
November 13, 2017 at 8:15 am
Sean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:41 AMPhil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:26 AMSadly this is much like professors in the technical arena. The "good one's" don't teach because they are making actual money in the field. As such, the less competent ones tend to end up as the ones teaching and providing examples to the students. This is a vicious circle because the quality of instruction tends to drop over time in this model which causes the overall quality of software to decrease as a result of inferior learning. Now if we could manage to find a way to pay our teachers (at all levels) a reasonable salary this would probably level out.Summed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
And those who can't teach, coach.
I must be a lousy teacher because I have been coaching soccer for a decade now. 😉 Not sure how well that is working though and I can't seem to find a lower level for me to sink to.
I was fortunate to have many professors that actually "wrote code for money" prior to becoming professors. One of them said "We are going to learn what's in the book, but we are also going to learn what really happens". The theory I learned was very valuable, but the actual hands-on filled the gap between the theory and practical application.
A few weeks back an intern sent me the class descriptions and the qualifications of the professors for the various classes she had planned to take to learn more about database systems.
I told her to not waste her money, and pointed her to real world learning taught by people who are actually in the trenches on a daily basis.
The higher level education in technical areas seems to fall short on how to make that leap between theory and practice.
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November 13, 2017 at 8:19 am
Lynn Pettis - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:11 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:41 AMPhil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:26 AMSadly this is much like professors in the technical arena. The "good one's" don't teach because they are making actual money in the field. As such, the less competent ones tend to end up as the ones teaching and providing examples to the students. This is a vicious circle because the quality of instruction tends to drop over time in this model which causes the overall quality of software to decrease as a result of inferior learning. Now if we could manage to find a way to pay our teachers (at all levels) a reasonable salary this would probably level out.Summed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
And those who can't teach, coach.
I must be a lousy teacher because I have been coaching soccer for a decade now. 😉 Not sure how well that is working though and I can't seem to find a lower level for me to sink to.
I coach and officiate soccer. Where does that put me? Just an aside, I think all coaches should be certified and active referees as well. Would help them learn the game better as well as put them on the other side of the ref/coach dynamic.
Coaching and officiating puts you on a pedestal.
I agree completely Lynn, I am definitely certifiable. 🙂 Especially with soccer in the US many coaches don't really understand the game very well which makes things a lot more difficult. I haven't done any referee work in probably 4-5 years but have done enough to know exactly what you mean. And don't even get me started on parents. They are the shining example and proof of my statements about youth sports. "The worst thing ever to happen in youth sports is parents".
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November 13, 2017 at 8:25 am
Sean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:19 AMCoaching and officiating puts you on a pedestal.I agree completely Lynn, I am definitely certifiable. 🙂 Especially with soccer in the US many coaches don't really understand the game very well which makes things a lot more difficult. I haven't done any referee work in probably 4-5 years but have done enough to know exactly what you mean. And don't even get me started on parents. They are the shining example and proof of my statements about youth sports. "The worst thing ever to happen in youth sports is parents".
You know one of the things that bugs me about coaches and parents regarding soccer, besides the constant yelling at the kids on the pitch telling them what to do, telling the players they are going the wrong way. When I coach soccer I tell the kids there is nothing wrong with going backwards to go forwards and to play in the direction they are facing. Soccer is a team sport, and a players game not a coaches game.
November 13, 2017 at 8:46 am
Lynn Pettis - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:25 AMSean Lange - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:19 AMCoaching and officiating puts you on a pedestal.I agree completely Lynn, I am definitely certifiable. 🙂 Especially with soccer in the US many coaches don't really understand the game very well which makes things a lot more difficult. I haven't done any referee work in probably 4-5 years but have done enough to know exactly what you mean. And don't even get me started on parents. They are the shining example and proof of my statements about youth sports. "The worst thing ever to happen in youth sports is parents".
You know one of the things that bugs me about coaches and parents regarding soccer, besides the constant yelling at the kids on the pitch telling them what to do, telling the players they are going the wrong way. When I coach soccer I tell the kids there is nothing wrong with going backwards to go forwards and to play in the direction they are facing. Soccer is a team sport, and a players game not a coaches game.
I can't even begin to tell you how much effort it is to get the kids to understand that going away from the opponent's goal is often the best move. And I am constantly saying "play the way you are facing". So often the kids want to be tricky and do a backheel or something they saw Messi or Renaldo do. I have to keep reminding them that those guys are at a whole different level. I am one of those coaches who on game day is pretty quiet. This is because in my opinion the game itself is the whole point of why we play. It should be fun for the kids and is a great opportunity for them to demonstrate the concepts we worked on during the week. Now that isn't to say I don't offer advice and encouragement but largely I want to enjoy the game. I have been criticized in the past by some parents that I don't give enough direction during the game. My response was that I didn't want to confuse the kids by giving them solid tactical advice when they were receiving contradictory direction from the sideline. 😀
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November 13, 2017 at 8:49 am
Idera's Rapid SQL may be of interest to some people here, despite the fact that their definition of "all major RDBMSs" seems to be a little light.
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November 13, 2017 at 9:15 am
Phil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:49 AMIdera's Rapid SQL may be of interest to some people here, despite the fact that their definition of "all major RDBMSs" seems to be a little light.
I should find an old SQL 7 instance somewhere and see if it worked... But I really CBA
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November 13, 2017 at 10:57 am
Phil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSummed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
I think the parallel to that quote in modern times is "Those who can, do; those who can't, audit."
November 13, 2017 at 10:59 am
For a little break and a fool good moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKSWXzAnVe0
November 13, 2017 at 11:05 am
Lynn Pettis - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:25 AMYou know one of the things that bugs me about coaches and parents regarding soccer, besides the constant yelling at the kids on the pitch telling them what to do, telling the players they are going the wrong way. When I coach soccer I tell the kids there is nothing wrong with going backwards to go forwards and to play in the direction they are facing. Soccer is a team sport, and a players game not a coaches game.
My daughter started playing soccer this fall, 4 year old girls play rough! I don't envy the coaches or officials in trying to deal with them. (of course it didn't help that her team name was the "Divas")
November 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Chris Harshman - Monday, November 13, 2017 11:05 AMLynn Pettis - Monday, November 13, 2017 8:25 AMYou know one of the things that bugs me about coaches and parents regarding soccer, besides the constant yelling at the kids on the pitch telling them what to do, telling the players they are going the wrong way. When I coach soccer I tell the kids there is nothing wrong with going backwards to go forwards and to play in the direction they are facing. Soccer is a team sport, and a players game not a coaches game.My daughter started playing soccer this fall, 4 year old girls play rough! I don't envy the coaches or officials in trying to deal with them. (of course it didn't help that her team name was the "Divas")
Coaching 4 year old kids is more like training in how to herd cats in the rain. 😀
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November 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm
Chris Harshman - Monday, November 13, 2017 10:57 AMPhil Parkin - Monday, November 13, 2017 7:33 AMSummed up by George Bernard Shaw as: "Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach."I think the parallel to that quote in modern times is "Those who can, do; those who can't, audit."
I rather prefer that "Those who can, do; those who can't, need to spend some time studying or find a different career". 😉 Got "GETDATE()" ??? 😉
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