September 8, 2017 at 1:11 pm
ZZartin - Friday, September 8, 2017 1:03 PMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 12:24 PMLynn Pettis - Friday, September 8, 2017 11:06 AMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 AMAnd his comment that most commercial software is written in COBOL. Where does he come up with this nonsense. I know of exactly nobody who still writes anything in COBOL. Yet I see dozens and dozens of dotnet developer jobs hit my desk every week. Sure there may still be a few companies whose backbone is still running COBOL but those are fading as many of them have realized that having flexible systems is more and more crucial. The worst part of it though is that he constantly contradicts himself by being so steadfast in absolutes.I can name you one company (not the one where I currently work) that still runs a COBOL application on a Solaris box with an interpretive (not compiled) version of COBOL. I don't see it going anywhere as long as it has its tentacles (and I helped develop some of them) through out the company. Oh, I haven't worked there since 2005 and I worked there over 11 years.
Like I said I figured there are still some companies using COBOL. But if you subscribe to JC's mindset it is everywhere. I just don't think that is true anymore.
There are plenty of companies still maintaining and actively developing cobol code, main frame hardware is also still being maintained and updated. However I don't think any company is going to sit down look at a list of platforms for their new solution and go damn, cobol sounds like the perfect fit for us.
Actually, here in Western PA, COBOL programmers are very much in demand.
There are a number of health care and banking related systems that are just far too expensive to replace. The number of COBOL programmers is few, so they are kind of writing their own tickets.
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September 8, 2017 at 1:19 pm
ZZartin - Friday, September 8, 2017 1:03 PMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 12:24 PMLynn Pettis - Friday, September 8, 2017 11:06 AMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 AMAnd his comment that most commercial software is written in COBOL. Where does he come up with this nonsense. I know of exactly nobody who still writes anything in COBOL. Yet I see dozens and dozens of dotnet developer jobs hit my desk every week. Sure there may still be a few companies whose backbone is still running COBOL but those are fading as many of them have realized that having flexible systems is more and more crucial. The worst part of it though is that he constantly contradicts himself by being so steadfast in absolutes.I can name you one company (not the one where I currently work) that still runs a COBOL application on a Solaris box with an interpretive (not compiled) version of COBOL. I don't see it going anywhere as long as it has its tentacles (and I helped develop some of them) through out the company. Oh, I haven't worked there since 2005 and I worked there over 11 years.
Like I said I figured there are still some companies using COBOL. But if you subscribe to JC's mindset it is everywhere. I just don't think that is true anymore.
There are plenty of companies still maintaining and actively developing cobol code, main frame hardware is also still being maintained and updated. However I don't think any company is going to sit down look at a list of platforms for their new solution and go damn, cobol sounds like the perfect fit for us.
Agreed on all points. This started because a comment in another thread where JC stated "Nobody likes to remember most of the commercial programming is still done in COBOL". I just don't think that is true. There certainly is a lot of it still happening but the bulk of current development does not appear to be done in COBOL.
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September 8, 2017 at 2:25 pm
ZZartin - Friday, September 8, 2017 1:03 PMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 12:24 PMLynn Pettis - Friday, September 8, 2017 11:06 AMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 AMAnd his comment that most commercial software is written in COBOL. Where does he come up with this nonsense. I know of exactly nobody who still writes anything in COBOL. Yet I see dozens and dozens of dotnet developer jobs hit my desk every week. Sure there may still be a few companies whose backbone is still running COBOL but those are fading as many of them have realized that having flexible systems is more and more crucial. The worst part of it though is that he constantly contradicts himself by being so steadfast in absolutes.I can name you one company (not the one where I currently work) that still runs a COBOL application on a Solaris box with an interpretive (not compiled) version of COBOL. I don't see it going anywhere as long as it has its tentacles (and I helped develop some of them) through out the company. Oh, I haven't worked there since 2005 and I worked there over 11 years.
Like I said I figured there are still some companies using COBOL. But if you subscribe to JC's mindset it is everywhere. I just don't think that is true anymore.
There are plenty of companies still maintaining and actively developing cobol code, main frame hardware is also still being maintained and updated. However I don't think any company is going to sit down look at a list of platforms for their new solution and go damn, cobol sounds like the perfect fit for us.
Well, if your current development and support staff is heavily COBOL you might. You might even go to a .NET based COBOL. There may be a paradigm shift in how you code, but most of the COBOL is still there.
September 8, 2017 at 2:28 pm
And to change the subject, there are still people who should not be allowed to touch MS SQL Server without direct supervision. Just saying.
September 8, 2017 at 2:30 pm
Michael L John - Friday, September 8, 2017 1:11 PMZZartin - Friday, September 8, 2017 1:03 PMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 12:24 PMLynn Pettis - Friday, September 8, 2017 11:06 AMSean Lange - Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 AMAnd his comment that most commercial software is written in COBOL. Where does he come up with this nonsense. I know of exactly nobody who still writes anything in COBOL. Yet I see dozens and dozens of dotnet developer jobs hit my desk every week. Sure there may still be a few companies whose backbone is still running COBOL but those are fading as many of them have realized that having flexible systems is more and more crucial. The worst part of it though is that he constantly contradicts himself by being so steadfast in absolutes.I can name you one company (not the one where I currently work) that still runs a COBOL application on a Solaris box with an interpretive (not compiled) version of COBOL. I don't see it going anywhere as long as it has its tentacles (and I helped develop some of them) through out the company. Oh, I haven't worked there since 2005 and I worked there over 11 years.
Like I said I figured there are still some companies using COBOL. But if you subscribe to JC's mindset it is everywhere. I just don't think that is true anymore.
There are plenty of companies still maintaining and actively developing cobol code, main frame hardware is also still being maintained and updated. However I don't think any company is going to sit down look at a list of platforms for their new solution and go damn, cobol sounds like the perfect fit for us.
Actually, here in Western PA, COBOL programmers are very much in demand.
There are a number of health care and banking related systems that are just far too expensive to replace. The number of COBOL programmers is few, so they are kind of writing their own tickets.
Too bad most of those are mainframe oriented. My COBOL experience is minicomputer related There actually are some differences.
September 9, 2017 at 4:17 pm
Wow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
September 10, 2017 at 4:03 am
Jeff Moden - Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:17 PMWow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.
The AI is getting clever enough to know it shouldn't be working those late hours😀
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September 10, 2017 at 1:31 pm
Eirikur Eiriksson - Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:03 AMJeff Moden - Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:17 PMWow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.The AI is getting clever enough to know it shouldn't be working those late hours😀
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Either that or "AI" actually stands for "Ain't Intelligent" or "Ain't Interested". 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
September 10, 2017 at 1:48 pm
Jeff Moden - Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:31 PMEirikur Eiriksson - Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:03 AMJeff Moden - Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:17 PMWow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.The AI is getting clever enough to know it shouldn't be working those late hours😀
😎Either that or "AI" actually stands for "Ain't Intelligent" or "Ain't Interested". 😉
It could be anti-intelligence, but then the governments of the world would be fighting over who gets to have the monopoly on it. 😛
Maybe it really is artificial intelligence. It depends on how smart it is, but it could have realized that the spammers are persistent enough to get around whatever it comes up with, so resistance is futile. It could have then determined that the spam-bots are destined to be the winners, so the humans are the problem for getting in the way. I don't know if if the AI was assimilated by the spammers yet, but it better be turned off before it becomes self-aware...that could be the begin of the rise of the machines.
September 10, 2017 at 2:04 pm
Jeff Moden - Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:17 PMWow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.
No kidding. I've just dealt with some of it, but I suspect there's more...
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September 10, 2017 at 2:55 pm
ThomasRushton - Sunday, September 10, 2017 2:04 PMJeff Moden - Saturday, September 9, 2017 4:17 PMWow... the spam seems worse now than ever, especially over the weekends/Friday nights. I thought there was supposed to be some sort of AI spam detector that would eliminate this.No kidding. I've just dealt with some of it, but I suspect there's more...
So did I, but it keeps getting posted as I'm deleting the older stuff. Where's that anti-spam thingy that was supposed to be included with the forum update?
September 12, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Okay, having lots of fun working through a stored procedure that I will be rewriting. Taken about fifteen hours already just trying to figure out what it is doing and identifying requirements for the rewrite.
I may have figured out the reason for at least on permanent table that was created in tempdb (head..desk) and that may be a lack of understand the scope of a temp table. Plus, if it needs to be a permanent table, put it in your database.
There is so much going on and absolutely no comments to explain what is going on that I feel like I am bleeding from my ears trying to figure things out.
Jeff, you'd be pulling out you F-15 pork chop launcher already!
September 12, 2017 at 12:39 pm
On another note, any one hear from Brandie? Hoping she and family are doing well.
September 13, 2017 at 7:50 am
Lynn Pettis - Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:38 PMOkay, having lots of fun working through a stored procedure that I will be rewriting. Taken about fifteen hours already just trying to figure out what it is doing and identifying requirements for the rewrite.I may have figured out the reason for at least on permanent table that was created in tempdb (head..desk) and that may be a lack of understand the scope of a temp table. Plus, if it needs to be a permanent table, put it in your database.
There is so much going on and absolutely no comments to explain what is going on that I feel like I am bleeding from my ears trying to figure things out.
Jeff, you'd be pulling out you F-15 pork chop launcher already!
Yeah, I've been asked if I can look at some SQL code that is in VBA/Excel, to correct an error in the spreadsheet. The database it is looking at (nothing to do with me, I hasten to add) has no foreign keys, no constraints, no stored procedures, no extended properties. Every little bit of logic must be in the front-end that uses that DB. And as it is a third-party app, just guess how willing they'd be to share what they know.
September 13, 2017 at 7:54 am
BrainDonor - Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:50 AMYeah, I've been asked if I can look at some SQL code that is in VBA/Excel, to correct an error in the spreadsheet. The database it is looking at (nothing to do with me, I hasten to add) has no foreign keys, no constraints, no stored procedures, no extended properties. Every little bit of logic must be in the front-end that uses that DB. And as it is a third-party app, just guess how willing they'd be to share what they know.
So... Inline SQL everywhere...? 😀
Thom~
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