Are the posted questions getting worse?

  • Lynn Pettis - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:45 AM

    Simple question, why wasn't it caught in dev and QA by the people doing the testing in those environments.

    I think you knew the answer to this one before you even asked đŸ™‚

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  • drew.allen - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:18 AM

    Ed Wagner - Friday, May 5, 2017 8:00 PM

    drew.allen - Friday, May 5, 2017 3:57 PM

    Had an interview this morning that went so well, they decided to skip the in-person interview and just offered me the job.  đŸ˜€

    Drew

    Congratulations, Drew.  I don't have the exact dates, but that didn't take to long, did it?  Well done.
    Have you decided if you're going to accept the offer?

    I have accepted the offer.  Of all the jobs that I had applied for, it was the one that most closely matched my search criteria.  I had been contacted several times about opportunities in the King of Prussia area, which I outright rejected, because it was a nightmare commute the one time I had a job there.  This job is in Mt. Laurel, which is both closer and has better alternate routes.  It was also in the pay range that I was seeking.  The max that one opportunity would offer was 10K below my minimum, so I didn't even consider that one.

    Drew

    Congratulations.  Commute can be a very important factor to consider, given how much time some people spend on the road,  Well done.

  • Michael L John - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:49 AM

    Because, apparently, it either never got tested at all, or very minimally.  I suspect that someone ran a report, said all is good, and moved on.

    We got to the point where we had scenarios scripted out, and people signed off on the testing.
    Stopped a lot of this, as either the scenario needed to change as it was not broad enough.
    Or the tester that signed off had to go to management to request the change.
    Amazing process improvement - both from an IT side and Business side.
    No one wanted to ask management for a fix. Especially from the IT side.
    Accountability - what a bizarre concept.
    Certainly got the former finger pointing blame game directed at what really mattered - improving the process for the business.

  • drew.allen - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:18 AM

    I have accepted the offer.  Of all the jobs that I had applied for, it was the one that most closely matched my search criteria.  I had been contacted several times about opportunities in the King of Prussia area, which I outright rejected, because it was a nightmare commute the one time I had a job there.  This job is in Mt. Laurel, which is both closer and has better alternate routes.  It was also in the pay range that I was seeking.  The max that one opportunity would offer was 10K below my minimum, so I didn't even consider that one.

    Drew

    Congrats Drew, hope it all works out!

    Rodders...

  • rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:22 AM

    drew.allen - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:18 AM

    I have accepted the offer.  Of all the jobs that I had applied for, it was the one that most closely matched my search criteria.  I had been contacted several times about opportunities in the King of Prussia area, which I outright rejected, because it was a nightmare commute the one time I had a job there.  This job is in Mt. Laurel, which is both closer and has better alternate routes.  It was also in the pay range that I was seeking.  The max that one opportunity would offer was 10K below my minimum, so I didn't even consider that one.

    Drew

    Congrats Drew, hope it all works out!

    Rodders...

     + 1 Drew.

    Rod, Iron Maiden were amazing last night.  I'd not listened to the 'new' album so much and I'd forgotten how good it was.  It stands up well to the classics.


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  • Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:02 AM

    rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:22 AM

    drew.allen - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:18 AM

    I have accepted the offer.  Of all the jobs that I had applied for, it was the one that most closely matched my search criteria.  I had been contacted several times about opportunities in the King of Prussia area, which I outright rejected, because it was a nightmare commute the one time I had a job there.  This job is in Mt. Laurel, which is both closer and has better alternate routes.  It was also in the pay range that I was seeking.  The max that one opportunity would offer was 10K below my minimum, so I didn't even consider that one.

    Drew

    Congrats Drew, hope it all works out!

    Rodders...

     + 1 Drew.

    Rod, Iron Maiden were amazing last night.  I'd not listened to the 'new' album so much and I'd forgotten how good it was.  It stands up well to the classics.

    Its a good show isn't?
    Must admit I hadn't listened to Book of Souls as much as I should have as well. The songs certainly came over really well at the gig though. đŸ™‚
    To be fair that's true of most of the new music I listen to. But the breadth of music I listen to has seriously increased over the years!

    Rodders...

  • rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:05 AM

    Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:02 AM

    rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:22 AM

    drew.allen - Monday, May 8, 2017 11:18 AM

    I have accepted the offer.  Of all the jobs that I had applied for, it was the one that most closely matched my search criteria.  I had been contacted several times about opportunities in the King of Prussia area, which I outright rejected, because it was a nightmare commute the one time I had a job there.  This job is in Mt. Laurel, which is both closer and has better alternate routes.  It was also in the pay range that I was seeking.  The max that one opportunity would offer was 10K below my minimum, so I didn't even consider that one.

    Drew

    Congrats Drew, hope it all works out!

    Rodders...

     + 1 Drew.

    Rod, Iron Maiden were amazing last night.  I'd not listened to the 'new' album so much and I'd forgotten how good it was.  It stands up well to the classics.

    Its a good show isn't?
    Must admit I hadn't listened to Book of Souls as much as I should have as well. The songs certainly came over really well at the gig though. đŸ™‚

    Rodders...

    If you'd told me 12 months ago I'd pay 60 quid to watch a nearly 60 year old man run around in a cag and rubber gloves I'd have thought you were mad.  As it is, there's possibly only one person who can get away with it and make it a show.  Fortunately, he's the lead singer of Iron Maiden.

    I think Book of Souls will be making an appearance on the car stereo very soon.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
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  • Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:11 AM

    If you'd told me 12 months ago I'd pay 60 quid to watch a nearly 60 year old man run around in a cag and rubber gloves I'd have thought you were mad.  As it is, there's possibly only one person who can get away with it and make it a show.  Fortunately, he's the lead singer of Iron Maiden.

    I think Book of Souls will be making an appearance on the car stereo very soon.

    haha, indeed. Bruce is absolute mad man! But compared to other big bands out there the Maiden shows are not that over priced! He joked at Notts that its wasn't bad for 72 year old man. On the way out the couple in front were discussing he said he was 72! Oops.
    A friend said they would have gone with me, as Run To Hills is one of their favourite songs. We keep trying to find gigs to go together, but very rarely agree on artists! I did feel guilty, until I left and realised they hadn't done it... haha

  • Regarding testing, we used to have some business users (back in 2005 thru about 2008) who would just click the APPROVE button on the testing emails we would send out to them. We knew they weren't testing because they'd return the approval not two or three minutes after we sent it. And these were senior managers in one of our remote offices. It got to the point where we stopped moving stuff on their approval and started asking specifically what they saw when they tested it (because it turns out half the stuff they "approved" was what they asked for but wasn't what they wanted). A few years later, they finally got the message and actually started testing for real or assigning the testing to their subordinates when they didn't have time.

    They did not enjoy us calling them a second after we received the approvals saying "I know there's no way you could have tested this change thoroughly because it would have taken you at least an hour."

    Now we have an official test team that really does some hard testing before they turn it loose on the business units. It has made things so much more high-quality (though it annoys me every time the testers find something wrong with MY code because MY code is always perfect. @=).

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  • rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:18 AM

    Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:11 AM

    If you'd told me 12 months ago I'd pay 60 quid to watch a nearly 60 year old man run around in a cag and rubber gloves I'd have thought you were mad.  As it is, there's possibly only one person who can get away with it and make it a show.  Fortunately, he's the lead singer of Iron Maiden.

    I think Book of Souls will be making an appearance on the car stereo very soon.

    haha, indeed. Bruce is absolute mad man! But compared to other big bands out there the Maiden shows are not that over priced! He joked at Notts that its wasn't bad for 72 year old man. On the way out the couple in front were discussing he said he was 72! Oops.
    A friend said they would have gone with me, as Run To Hills is one of their favourite songs. We keep trying to find gigs to go together, but very rarely agree on artists! I did feel guilty, until I left and realised they hadn't done it... haha

    I've got to say I was disappointed by the lack of Hallowed be thy Name but I hadn't noticed that they didn't play Run to the Hills until you mentioned it!  You could discuss the perfect Iron Maiden set for hours without reaching an agreement though.  I have to say the best thing I ever heard Bruce say was at Leeds festival in 2005, 'tonight's set is coming from the first five albums'; classics guaranteed.

    You're right about the price of some bands.  I drew the line at paying the thick of £90 to sit in the clouds to see Metallica.  At the other end of the spectrum, Alter Bridge were asking £35 for them, Gojira, Volbeat and another band.  I thought £30 to see Gojira on their own tour in March was a decent price.  Sadly, if people want to make a living from music they need to get the money from somewhere.  The days of multi-million physical sales are probably behind us and, by the sounds of it, multi-million streams on Spotify et al will probably earn you about a tenner.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    —Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

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  • Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:33 AM

    I've got to say I was disappointed by the lack of Hallowed be thy Name but I hadn't noticed that they didn't play Run to the Hills until you mentioned it!  You could discuss the perfect Iron Maiden set for hours without reaching an agreement though.  I have to say the best thing I ever heard Bruce say was at Leeds festival in 2005, 'tonight's set is coming from the first five albums'; classics guaranteed.

    You're right about the price of some bands.  I drew the line at paying the thick of £90 to sit in the clouds to see Metallica.  At the other end of the spectrum, Alter Bridge were asking £35 for them, Gojira, Volbeat and another band.  I thought £30 to see Gojira on their own tour in March was a decent price.  Sadly, if people want to make a living from music they need to get the money from somewhere.  The days of multi-million physical sales are probably behind us and, by the sounds of it, multi-million streams on Spotify et al will probably earn you about a tenner.

    Its funny as "Powerslave" is my Maiden album... But yes when you get to that stage it's difficult. I've always thought, do a mini tour at the start or end, much bigger venues, few dates - "Greatest Hits" style, then do a normal rotation style set list for the main tour.
    Ticket prices well when you consider that venues have a pretty much set hire pricing, depending on what the bands require (in house PA etc) and then look at the ticket prices, which are set by the band or band management, as far as I know, you start to see some acts in a different light.
    Anderson Rabin Wakeman caused a bit of a stir with their ticket pricing and VIP bandings. In the US the top tier was 650 dollars. "Normal" tickets were 70 - 130 dollars. London was 90 quid for standard ticket!

    Gojira I have heard! John Martin really likes them.

  • GAH. Not awake this morning.

    Made a recent change to code and am now unit testing. The change should have been invisible. Instead, I'm suddenly coming up with 552 (or so) more records than in the original run. I'm doing a LEFT outer join between one table and the backup of the table I made to find the different records. For some reason, I forgot that NULL doesn't equal NULL ever. So here I am trying to figure out how 552 records became over 1 million without warning and freaking out that I didn't just add records, but screwed up the original results set....

    It takes breakfast to wake me up enough to realize the rookie mistakes I'm making on this discovery code. <FACEPALM>

    I hope everyone else's morning is going better than mine. :crazy:

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  • rodjkidd - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:42 AM

    Neil Burton - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:33 AM

    I've got to say I was disappointed by the lack of Hallowed be thy Name but I hadn't noticed that they didn't play Run to the Hills until you mentioned it!  You could discuss the perfect Iron Maiden set for hours without reaching an agreement though.  I have to say the best thing I ever heard Bruce say was at Leeds festival in 2005, 'tonight's set is coming from the first five albums'; classics guaranteed.

    You're right about the price of some bands.  I drew the line at paying the thick of £90 to sit in the clouds to see Metallica.  At the other end of the spectrum, Alter Bridge were asking £35 for them, Gojira, Volbeat and another band.  I thought £30 to see Gojira on their own tour in March was a decent price.  Sadly, if people want to make a living from music they need to get the money from somewhere.  The days of multi-million physical sales are probably behind us and, by the sounds of it, multi-million streams on Spotify et al will probably earn you about a tenner.

    Its funny as "Powerslave" is my Maiden album... But yes when you get to that stage it's difficult. I've always thought, do a mini tour at the start or end, much bigger venues, few dates - "Greatest Hits" style, then do a normal rotation style set list for the main tour.
    Ticket prices well when you consider that venues have a pretty much set hire pricing, depending on what the bands require (in house PA etc) and then look at the ticket prices, which are set by the band or band management, as far as I know, you start to see some acts in a different light.
    Anderson Rabin Wakeman caused a bit of a stir with their ticket pricing and VIP bandings. In the US the top tier was 650 dollars. "Normal" tickets were 70 - 130 dollars. London was 90 quid for standard ticket!

    Gojira I have heard! John Martin really likes them.

    The Alter Bridge show was very stripped back, to the point of being a bit cheap looking to be honest, but they'd spent the money on the support acts.  I probably wouldn't have gone to see Gojira but for seeing them at Alter Bridge.  They're definitely one of the more distinctive sounding bands around at the moment.

    I don't know how I feel about the packages and bandings.  If you can afford to pay it why wouldn't you, particularly when there's an opportunity to meet the band etc.  There is a danger that it becomes purely about wringing out extra cash rather than giving the fans what they want.  I suppose in some respects it reflects the changing status of the fans of the band.  As the band have got older and richer so, by and large, have the fans.  The scrawny hard-up teenagers who saved up their pocket money to see Metallica at G-MEX 25 years ago are now the slightly podgy IT workers with a few quid in their pocket who like to treat themselves once in a while.  There'll still be the younger fans coming to the shows hopefully so long as they're not priced out of the market at the bottom end.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
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  • Brandie Tarvin - Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:47 AM

    GAH. Not awake this morning.

    Made a recent change to code and am now unit testing. The change should have been invisible. Instead, I'm suddenly coming up with 552 (or so) more records than in the original run. I'm doing a LEFT outer join between one table and the backup of the table I made to find the different records. For some reason, I forgot that NULL doesn't equal NULL ever. So here I am trying to figure out how 552 records became over 1 million without warning and freaking out that I didn't just add records, but screwed up the original results set....

    It takes breakfast to wake me up enough to realize the rookie mistakes I'm making on this discovery code. <FACEPALM>

    I hope everyone else's morning is going better than mine. :crazy:

    You start way too early. I can't guarantee any of my code or testing before 10am. :hehe:

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