February 22, 2017 at 6:30 am
jasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)
I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
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February 22, 2017 at 6:37 am
GilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:06 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:48 AMC) THEN they may feel (rightly or wrongly) that they're being expected to meet a higher standardWhich happens. I've had that or similar more than enough times, and some of them recent.
Hell, a male colleague of mine was telling me about a manager at a client he works with saying over coffee how he feels that woman shouldn't be in IT because they're not as analytical, careful, too emotional, etc. 🙁
That's just nasty and being a parent to 2 daughters - damn right scary.
February 22, 2017 at 6:57 am
jasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:26 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:21 AMUnrelated, but your comments reminded me of this blog post I read a couple days ago. I wonder what do these
as...people have in their minds.
https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uberI saw and read that yesterday, and believe you me, that was at the forefront of my mind when I was writing my post.
When I shifted to work part time (3 days per week) so that my wife and I could share resposibiliy for our children, I was basically told that this wa a career-limiting move. Working 4 days per week and having one "daddy-day" was acceptable, but less than that would reduce my chance of ever receiving a promotion to zero.
My wife, who also shifted to 3 days, was told by her employer how happy they were with her commitment: this was more than they had expected.
(I changed employer less than a year later so I'll never know if these were empty threats or serious predicitons)
February 22, 2017 at 6:58 am
Misclick, pelase ignore
February 22, 2017 at 7:09 am
GilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
February 22, 2017 at 7:28 am
Luis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
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February 22, 2017 at 7:49 am
Phil Parkin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:28 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
There's no difference. Both are wrong assumptions made by people that have their ears covered with their buttocks.
February 22, 2017 at 7:52 am
Phil Parkin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:28 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
I think Luis was voicing "popular opinion", not his own opinion.
That does remind me of the uproar when a guy was hired at the toddler daycare where our children went. At least half the parents were very worried, and there had never been such concerns when a new woman was added to the staff.
February 22, 2017 at 7:55 am
Luis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:49 AMPhil Parkin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:28 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
There's no difference. Both are wrong assumptions made by people that have their ears covered with their buttocks.
Aha. Not seriously, then 🙂 I misunderstood your intent.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
- Martin Rees
The absence of consumable DDL, sample data and desired results is, however, evidence of the absence of my response
- Phil Parkin
February 22, 2017 at 7:59 am
Hugo Kornelis - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:52 AMPhil Parkin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:28 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
I think Luis was voicing "popular opinion", not his own opinion.
That does remind me of the uproar when a guy was hired at the toddler daycare where our children went. At least half the parents were very worried, and there had never been such concerns when a new woman was added to the staff.
Exactly. Thank you, Hugo.
February 22, 2017 at 8:15 am
Hugo Kornelis - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:52 AMPhil Parkin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:28 AMLuis Cazares - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:09 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:30 AMjasona.work - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:23 AMIt's the same thing if a man wants to do something like daycare or nursing (although I'd bet there's still far less pushback from people for the guy.)I suspect just as much, but probably more of the form 'you want to go into nursing? What a wuss.'
That's only when it's nice. A man trying to work on child care is most likely a child molester/abuser.
Seriously, Luis? What's the difference between this and assuming that women shouldn't bother with IT because their brains aren't wired for it? Either you accept equality, or you don't.
I think Luis was voicing "popular opinion", not his own opinion.
That does remind me of the uproar when a guy was hired at the toddler daycare where our children went. At least half the parents were very worried, and there had never been such concerns when a new woman was added to the staff.
This reminds of a couple years ago when the Boy Scouts changed their policy to allow openly gay scouts to be members. Previously they were not allowed, mostly would be the "Don't ask, don't tell" mentality. Being on the board for my sons pack one of the members from the district stated he was worried they were going to allow openly gay adult leaders. He said that no gay man has any right to be around young boys. I totally went off on that gay and told him that just because a man is gay does not make him a pedophile. I doubt it made any difference as he was an older man (late 70s) and he clearly believed his stance was correct. I pointed out that by using the same logic he should not be allowed to be around young girls. He never did understand that it is the same thing. I mean, clearly since he wasn't gay he was going to warp these young girls right??? Sheesh.
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February 22, 2017 at 8:27 am
Nothing like listening to the developers sitting 2 rows behind me spend half an hour trying to figure out what max server memory should be, and not come and ask for help (and they don't want help)
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February 22, 2017 at 8:32 am
GilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:27 AMNothing like listening to the developers sitting 2 rows behind me spend half an hour trying to figure out what max server memory should be, and not come and ask for help (and they don't want help)
Offered to help some devs, but got into an argument why they shouldn't shrink the tlog everyday...the concept of an empty, but large log freaked them out.
"transaction logs must be small, else performance suffers".
Maybe it's a good thing they don't "want" your help 😛
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February 22, 2017 at 8:34 am
Henrico Bekker - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:27 AMNothing like listening to the developers sitting 2 rows behind me spend half an hour trying to figure out what max server memory should be, and not come and ask for help (and they don't want help)Offered to help some devs, but got into an argument why they shouldn't shrink the tlog everyday...the concept of an empty, but large log freaked them out.
"transaction logs must be small, else performance suffers".Maybe it's a good thing they don't "want" your help 😛
Until she has to fix whatever they're screwing up. Or gets blamed for it.
February 22, 2017 at 8:48 am
Brandie Tarvin - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:34 AMHenrico Bekker - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AMGilaMonster - Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:27 AMNothing like listening to the developers sitting 2 rows behind me spend half an hour trying to figure out what max server memory should be, and not come and ask for help (and they don't want help)Offered to help some devs, but got into an argument why they shouldn't shrink the tlog everyday...the concept of an empty, but large log freaked them out.
"transaction logs must be small, else performance suffers".Maybe it's a good thing they don't "want" your help 😛
Until she has to fix whatever they're screwing up. Or gets blamed for it.
More likely, both...
(/me having flashbacks to last job)
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