August 23, 2016 at 1:02 pm
GilaMonster (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
I was fully expecting to get a reply like "Tried that and it won't start!!!!". I do hope the reply was sarcastic.
I don't think it was sarcastic. I took a look at their other posts and there's a "didn't check the basics" theme going on when there's a problem.
August 23, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Ray K (8/23/2016)
Woo-hoo! Just found out that I'm speaking at SQL Saturday #545 in Pittsburgh!
Congratulations, Ray. I hope to see you there. I don't know if I'm speaking in the last session of the WBADBA track or not, so I don't know if I'll make your session.
August 23, 2016 at 1:15 pm
ChrisM@home (8/23/2016)
On the bus on the way home. Now people I don't even know think I'm a weirdo 😀
And this is different how?
:hehe:
I'll get my hat.
August 23, 2016 at 1:26 pm
GilaMonster (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
I was fully expecting to get a reply like "Tried that and it won't start!!!!". I do hope the reply was sarcastic.
I think we know who has the crystal ball. 😛
August 23, 2016 at 1:56 pm
Lynn Pettis (8/22/2016)
TomThomson (8/20/2016)
Brandie Tarvin (8/19/2016)
Lynn Pettis (8/19/2016)
And then we have people that think they can learn our job from a book.blink
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Ummmm, that's how I learned it. Books and a small PC and doing the exercises in the books. Does that make me a not-a-dba?
I think you can learn a lot from books, especially if they provide decent excercises. Combined with talking and discussing things with people who deal with the stuff regularly, and maybe corresponding in writing too, it can give you a firm basis for tackling things. Then after you've spent a few years tackling things (ideally with someone competent keeping an eye on you and providing guidance for the first year or two), and making mistakes and learning from them, and cleaning up other people's messes, and teaching people what you've learnt, you can be pretty good at doing the job. In fact that's just about the only route to the sort of knowledge and skill that I want from people I work with.
As for people who believe nothing is learnt from books, it's decades since I got fed up with them wasting my time and with having to tell them to RTFM.
The snag with book learning is that one can become trapped into spending a lot of effort committing trivia to memory, and I'm perfectly happy with people who look up detailed syntax for obscure stuff in manuals and have no intention of learning it, at least for stuff that they don't use every week, because not cluttering up one's mind with trivia makes space for broader learning instead of overspecialisation. But that doesn't excuse people who decide that because there is a book they can consult it's OK for them to know nothing.
Tom, I think you were missing the point. From the very short post asking for a book or books, and ones written by Indian authors, it appeared to me that this individual could learn our jobs just by reading. I am all for reading, just don't expect to really learn anything until you start putting what you read into actual practice. I learned DTS by doing. I learned SSIS from reading books and putting into practice what I was reading. Just reading about SSIS would not have been enough.
Lynn. no I didn't miss the point, I was answering Brandie's "Does that make me a not-a-dba" and I think my answer made it quite clear that I don't want to work with people who think that book learning without "a few years tackling things" is enough. I agree completely that people who think that if they read a book they will become competent without further work are useless as DBAs or developers (or ineed almost anything).
Tom
August 23, 2016 at 2:24 pm
Lynn Pettis (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
omg
congrats. One day I'll get there
August 23, 2016 at 3:00 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/23/2016)
Lynn Pettis (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
omg
congrats. One day I'll get there
To where? Snarky replies to weird questions?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
August 23, 2016 at 3:24 pm
GilaMonster (8/23/2016)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/23/2016)
Lynn Pettis (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
omg
congrats. One day I'll get there
To where? Snarky replies to weird questions?
precisely. hahahaha 😛
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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August 23, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Ray K (8/23/2016)
Woo-hoo! Just found out that I'm speaking at SQL Saturday #545 in Pittsburgh!
Well done.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
August 23, 2016 at 3:54 pm
SQLRNNR (8/23/2016)
GilaMonster (8/23/2016)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/23/2016)
Lynn Pettis (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
omg
congrats. One day I'll get there
To where? Snarky replies to weird questions?
precisely. hahahaha 😛
I'm pretty sure that Steve is already THERE, if you know what I mean.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
August 24, 2016 at 8:40 am
Hearing about the earthquake in Italy, hope all our friends back there are safe.
August 24, 2016 at 9:36 am
GilaMonster (8/23/2016)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/23/2016)
Lynn Pettis (8/23/2016)
Luis Cazares (8/23/2016)
Gail, you just made my day with this answer. http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1811748.aspxI can't stop laughing. 😀
omg
congrats. One day I'll get there
To where? Snarky replies to weird questions?
Stupid quote bug.
Meant to reply to Ray and SQL Sat Pittsburgh.
On this one, nice catch. Reminds me of the printer won't print query. "Is the parallel cable plugged in?"
August 24, 2016 at 9:40 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/24/2016)
Meant to reply to Ray and SQL Sat Pittsburgh.
If you have the time, they still have a "To Be Announced" session in their grid. Hint, hint. 😉
August 24, 2016 at 10:23 am
Ed Wagner (8/24/2016)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/24/2016)
Meant to reply to Ray and SQL Sat Pittsburgh.If you have the time, they still have a "To Be Announced" session in their grid. Hint, hint. 😉
Ha, I have to be in DC, then Orlando, the Vegas in the 12 days after that. Not sure my wife would allow me to side trip to PIT before then. Even with the Steelers in town.
August 24, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/24/2016)
Ed Wagner (8/24/2016)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/24/2016)
Meant to reply to Ray and SQL Sat Pittsburgh.If you have the time, they still have a "To Be Announced" session in their grid. Hint, hint. 😉
Ha, I have to be in DC, then Orlando, the Vegas in the 12 days after that. Not sure my wife would allow me to side trip to PIT before then. Even with the Steelers in town.
Because I'd buy you a drink. 😉 Being realistic, I get it and agree. Family's more important.
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