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djj SSCoach Points: 18831 More actions · Answer 1

Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.

I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:

Oh, well.

jeff.mason SSCrazy Eights Points: 9585 More actions · Answer 2

The developer needs to get over it. It's a reasonable request and will take him five minutes to do.

Luis Cazares SSC Guru Points: 183706 More actions · Answer 3

jeff.mason (5/3/2016)
The developer needs to get over it. It's a reasonable request and will take him five minutes to do.

Less if using a template, or more if he's not sure of what he's doing.

Luis C.
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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004311 More actions · Answer 4

djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.

Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.

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Phil Parkin SSC Guru Points: 246956 More actions · Answer 5

Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)
djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.
Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.

Love your work, Jeff.

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Eirikur Eiriksson SSC Guru Points: 182910 More actions · Answer 6

Phil Parkin (5/3/2016)
Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)
djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.
Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.
Love your work, Jeff.

>>>>>Pork>>>>Pork>>>>Pork>>>>Chop Chop Chop >>>> \o/

😎

Thomas Rushton SSC-Insane Points: 22649 More actions · Answer 7

Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)
djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.
Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.

Needs to get over himself, too... Standards like this are there for a reason, and the reason is that writing and supporting stuff like this is a *team* effort, not a one-man job.

And, even if it were a one-man job, then the documentation had better be up to date, in case that man gets badly concussed by a flying frozen pork chop...

What's that line about "always document your code as if it's going to be maintained by an axe-wielding psychopath who knows where you live"? That.

Thomas Rushton
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djj SSCoach Points: 18831 More actions · Answer 8

ThomasRushton (5/3/2016)
Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)
djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.
Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.
Needs to get over himself, too... Standards like this are there for a reason, and the reason is that writing and supporting stuff like this is a *team* effort, not a one-man job.
And, even if it were a one-man job, then the documentation had better be up to date, in case that man gets badly concussed by a flying frozen pork chop...
What's that line about "always document your code as if it's going to be maintained by an axe-wielding psychopath who knows where you live"? That.

:hehe::laugh::-D

Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 9

djj (5/3/2016)
ThomasRushton (5/3/2016)
Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)
djj (5/3/2016)
Had a "discussion" today. Developer asked I push a couple stored procedures. No problem, this happens all the time. Looked at the SP's and saw they did not have the comment section I have requested (management approved) for all SP's. Now a submitted SP can have a minimal amount of info and I will let it go, however this guy only had his name. No description of what they did or what ran them. I suggested he add information and he gets upset. When he went for a smoke, two other developers said I did a good job of it.
I hope the guy gets over it as we sit back to back and is a friend. :unsure:
Oh, well.
Not only does the "developer" need to get over it, as suggested, he needs to concentrate a bit more on following the standards you laid out and have management approval on. It's actually a part of his job now and he needs to be a team member by doing his job correctly... first time if possible.
Needs to get over himself, too... Standards like this are there for a reason, and the reason is that writing and supporting stuff like this is a *team* effort, not a one-man job.
And, even if it were a one-man job, then the documentation had better be up to date, in case that man gets badly concussed by a flying frozen pork chop...
What's that line about "always document your code as if it's going to be maintained by an axe-wielding psychopath who knows where you live"? That.
:hehe::laugh::-D

He should not only understand what his job is, but also what your job is and respect that. Standards exist for a reason and are everyone's responsibility. Sounds to me like you handled it very well.

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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 10

Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.

Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 11

Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.

+1000

Luis Cazares SSC Guru Points: 183706 More actions · Answer 12

Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.

But, but...that's my job. :hehe:

Luis C.
General Disclaimer:
Are you seriously taking the advice and code from someone from the internet without testing it? Do you at least understand it? Or can it easily kill your server?

How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help: Option 1 / Option 2

Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 13

Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.
+1000

I guess I'll agree with your agreement with yourself. 😛

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Luis Cazares SSC Guru Points: 183706 More actions · Answer 14

Ed Wagner (5/3/2016)
Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.
+1000
I guess I'll agree with your agreement with yourself. 😛

Is this about the system dbs thread?

Luis C.
General Disclaimer:
Are you seriously taking the advice and code from someone from the internet without testing it? Do you at least understand it? Or can it easily kill your server?

How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help: Option 1 / Option 2

Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 15

Luis Cazares (5/3/2016)
Ed Wagner (5/3/2016)
Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Lynn Pettis (5/3/2016)
Some people should not be allowed any where near a database server.
+1000
I guess I'll agree with your agreement with yourself. 😛
Is this about the system dbs thread?

I should have stayed away!

This is down right scary!