Are the posted questions getting worse?
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It's month end. I'm up early, in my home office, logged into work. Door is shut.
Friendly feral shoves door open (apparently I didn't latch well enough) and is now on lap.
FF: Your desk are belong to me. No working. Only scratching.
I am so p'owned.
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Brandie Tarvin (10/31/2015)
It's month end. I'm up early, in my home office, logged into work. Door is shut.Friendly feral shoves door open (apparently I didn't latch well enough) and is now on lap.
FF: Your desk are belong to me. No working. Only scratching.
I am so p'owned.
Hmmm. It sounds to me like the real question is who owns who. 😉 Either way, it sounds like neither of you mind.
As someone who normally goes into work, I spent the last two days working from home because my dog had surgery and shouldn't be left alone. I can definitely think of worse punishments than having your pet lounge around you while working. Granted, mine didn't want in my lap constantly. He's on the mend and doing pretty well, but Monday sure has filled up with meetings.
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Ed Wagner (10/30/2015)[hrSean, whatever you do, don't smoke the whole hog and then try to harvest pork chops from it. They'll be way to tender and won't have the impact they would if they were cooked more quickly.
"It Depends". 😀
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
yb751 (10/29/2015)
I was on my last eye twitch yesterday (so to speak) so I put together this image. (attached)I was thinking about unleashing it but then I thought maybe it was too much.
Could have called it 2 easy steps to forum happiness! I don't know what do you guys think? lol
+1
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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SQL RNNR
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Luis Cazares (10/27/2015)
Grant Fritchey (10/27/2015)
Great Summit so far. I've been able to talk to Gail & Lynn and Rod. Saw Gianluca as I was running between events. Any Threadsters I'm missing, track me down.Actually, I won't because I'm not at the summit, but couldn't help myself. 😀
ROFL
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
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Who's going to PASS Summit this year?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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SQL RNNR
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ChrisM@Work (10/29/2015)
Ed Wagner (10/29/2015)
yb751 (10/29/2015)
I was on my last eye twitch yesterday (so to speak) so I put together this image. (attached)I was thinking about unleashing it but then I thought maybe it was too much.
Could have called it 2 easy steps to forum happiness! I don't know what do you guys think? lol
It might be a bit much, but I know what you mean. It makes things so much easier to read.
I think the (sometimes arduous) task of getting people to post DDL, consumable sample data and expected output is more of a hindrance to being able to help people. The excuse of proprietary table design and PII is old. Table designs are just designs and I don't know what's confusing or ambiguous about the term sample data.
I admit that I'm quicker to help if someone takes the time to create a good post and actually asks a question.
Is it just me, or are there two types of folks who post questions on ssc - those wishing to solve a problem and learn from the experience, and those who are [politeness] hoping for a quick fix [politeness off]? You can almost distinguish between them by their willingness to spend 3 minutes knocking up a sample data set.
No, you've missed out a third type: those who post something to prove how willing they are to take on something which is beyond the capability of the SQLServerCentral experts to understand, or which the experts will all get totally wrong (according to their interpretation of "wrong"). There seem to be rather fewer of them than of the other two categories (I can't recall a recent example), but they are pretty annoying when they do put their oar in.
Tom
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TomThomson (10/31/2015)
ChrisM@Work (10/29/2015)
Ed Wagner (10/29/2015)
yb751 (10/29/2015)
I was on my last eye twitch yesterday (so to speak) so I put together this image. (attached)I was thinking about unleashing it but then I thought maybe it was too much.
Could have called it 2 easy steps to forum happiness! I don't know what do you guys think? lol
It might be a bit much, but I know what you mean. It makes things so much easier to read.
I think the (sometimes arduous) task of getting people to post DDL, consumable sample data and expected output is more of a hindrance to being able to help people. The excuse of proprietary table design and PII is old. Table designs are just designs and I don't know what's confusing or ambiguous about the term sample data.
I admit that I'm quicker to help if someone takes the time to create a good post and actually asks a question.
Is it just me, or are there two types of folks who post questions on ssc - those wishing to solve a problem and learn from the experience, and those who are [politeness] hoping for a quick fix [politeness off]? You can almost distinguish between them by their willingness to spend 3 minutes knocking up a sample data set.
No, you've missed out a third type: those who post something to prove how willing they are to take on something which is beyond the capability of the SQLServerCentral experts to understand, or which the experts will all get totally wrong (according to their interpretation of "wrong"). There seem to be rather fewer of them than of the other two categories (I can't recall a recent example), but they are pretty annoying when they do put their oar in.
I have an example that I just finished liberally pork chopping 5 minutes ago. I don't usually take such pleasure but this clown has been wrong so many times and his latest claims on that particular thread were just rubbish that would mislead newbies or anyone else that hasn't used partitioning. He's published a video with the claim and he's on LinkedIn with the claim and Sergiy and I just shot his alligator mouth and hummingbird azz out of the sky.
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1732642.aspx
Again, a bit out of character for me to come across like that but I was pretty well fed up.
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
Eirikur Eiriksson (10/30/2015)
jasona.work (10/30/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (10/30/2015)
Someone needs to have a talk with that David Burrows guy. He's talking crazy in another thread. Like suggesting I could use SQL Server tables to solve a C# problem that's calling data from SQL Server.It's INSANE I tell you. Quick, someone throw him on a couch and call a therapist! :w00t:
Now why would you want to go and do that?
Honestly, you should use a noSQL install, or maybe an Oracle database instance...
Or an Azure SQL database...
Honestly, doing things the easy way...
....XML,XSLT,Jason,perl... Endless options:-D
😎
No, those are the trendy modern options; stick to something tried and tested like C, Lisp or Cobol 😛 And use IMS to make sure you get the navigation right - it has a longer track record than any other DBS. :hehe:
Tom
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Nice response, Jeff.
In SSIS world, I often have to correct his confident-sounding assertions too.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
- Martin Rees
The absence of consumable DDL, sample data and desired results is, however, evidence of the absence of my response
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Eirikur Eiriksson (10/30/2015)
David could maybe use a little shrinking but he doesn't need a shrink:-P😎
LOL Thanks Eirikur 😀
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
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Jeff Moden (10/31/2015)
TomThomson (10/31/2015)
ChrisM@Work (10/29/2015)
Ed Wagner (10/29/2015)
yb751 (10/29/2015)
I was on my last eye twitch yesterday (so to speak) so I put together this image. (attached)I was thinking about unleashing it but then I thought maybe it was too much.
Could have called it 2 easy steps to forum happiness! I don't know what do you guys think? lol
It might be a bit much, but I know what you mean. It makes things so much easier to read.
I think the (sometimes arduous) task of getting people to post DDL, consumable sample data and expected output is more of a hindrance to being able to help people. The excuse of proprietary table design and PII is old. Table designs are just designs and I don't know what's confusing or ambiguous about the term sample data.
I admit that I'm quicker to help if someone takes the time to create a good post and actually asks a question.
Is it just me, or are there two types of folks who post questions on ssc - those wishing to solve a problem and learn from the experience, and those who are [politeness] hoping for a quick fix [politeness off]? You can almost distinguish between them by their willingness to spend 3 minutes knocking up a sample data set.
No, you've missed out a third type: those who post something to prove how willing they are to take on something which is beyond the capability of the SQLServerCentral experts to understand, or which the experts will all get totally wrong (according to their interpretation of "wrong"). There seem to be rather fewer of them than of the other two categories (I can't recall a recent example), but they are pretty annoying when they do put their oar in.
I have an example that I just finished liberally pork chopping 5 minutes ago. I don't usually take such pleasure but this clown has been wrong so many times and his latest claims on that particular thread were just rubbish that would mislead newbies or anyone else that hasn't used partitioning. He's published a video with the claim and he's on LinkedIn with the claim and Sergiy and I just shot his alligator mouth and hummingbird azz out of the sky.
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1732642.aspx
Again, a bit out of character for me to come across like that but I was pretty well fed up.
He's playing with advanced toys without sufficient ground knowledge to really understand what's going on, and the end result is beyond irritating. Nice job, Jeff. Following the thread in question, albeit on my phone, made what would have been a weekend wasted on P&D (painting and decorating) ... well, not wasted.
“Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail ShawFor fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.
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Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop Jeff Moden -
Brandie Tarvin (10/30/2015)
Someone needs to have a talk with that David Burrows guy. He's talking crazy in another thread. Like suggesting I could use SQL Server tables to solve a C# problem that's calling data from SQL Server.It's INSANE I tell you. Quick, someone throw him on a couch and call a therapist! :w00t:
In my defence that was not what I was suggesting 🙁
...although the therapist bit might be right 😀
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
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SQLRNNR (10/31/2015)
For thread posterity: [/snip]Great picture!
It was fantastic meeting you guys!
BTW, Wayne is as tall as me, so he's the giant 🙂
-- Gianluca Sartori
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