Are the posted questions getting worse?

  • Since we seem to be largely Godwin-free on The Thread, I thought I'd point out this really cool article about using data to test Godwin's Law (short version, the law is broken). Further, the quote at the end about the really interesting stuff on the Internet being the conversations and our (MUCH) earlier talks about the StackOverflow approach made the whole article even more interesting.

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  • Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    —Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

    How to post a question to get the most help http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537

  • BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

  • Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

    If no raise, then let them keep the promotion.

    Love the promotions where it is only a promotion in responsibility but not monetary compensation for the extra responsibility.

    Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
    _______________________________________________
    I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
    SQL RNNR
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    Learn Extended Events

  • Went back to the train wreck... uh, I mean Jet discussion.

    I just keep hearing "MongoDB is web scale" over and over.

    And if anyone searches that up, fair warning, the video is NSFW.

    "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
    - Theodore Roosevelt

    Author of:
    SQL Server Execution Plans
    SQL Server Query Performance Tuning

  • Alvin Ramard (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/23/2015)


    I assume you are talking about the Jet thread. Do you think any of us have gotten out line?

    Well, since I'm about 2 days out of touch and 40 posts, I can't say for sure. I don't think I've seen anything in there, but I sense frustration with some of you, including you, Lynn, which is the time to stop posting.

    I'd hope you can rationally and calmly ask for something. There is some legitimate debate in what the OP noted, though he/she continues to change directions and use new examples instead of being able to explain themselves. I sense some struggle with English in there as well.

    I haven't caught up, but I'd prefer to see someone actually debate the census example, give some idea of costs of building this. Look at how many people have Perl or ODBC programming skills. I think that might explain some of the rational for choosing, or not choosing the method.

    Certainly if you have time and skill, but no money, creating solutions can be found. I've seen companies do well on Acess/MDB up to a point.

    Steve, the OP made is clear. There is NO cost to implementing this.

    I'm guessing at least a few of us don't agree.

    There are also some fairly clear false statements in what he claims to be able to do with it, and none of valid points being advanced hold any weight whatsoever. After 3 or 4 posts early on in there, it felt more like banter or fish stories from OP than a true debate. If he is really building this out in a real professional setting, this borders on prof misconduct in my book, so I bowed out. no backup, no DR, security is a fantasy, and zero concurrency to speak of.

    If or rather when that gem blows up, the customer/user he built this for will be SOL with a lot of data up in smoke.

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  • SQLRNNR (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

    If no raise, then let them keep the promotion.

    Love the promotions where it is only a promotion in responsibility but not monetary compensation for the extra responsibility.

    Yep, there was a raise 🙂 The senior guy at our place is leaving and they're not replacing him so it was essentially an exercise in jumping through hoops to make sure I got some extra money. I will be able to call myself 'Senior Business Intelligence Analyst' though.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    —Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

    How to post a question to get the most help http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537

  • BWFC (9/24/2015)


    SQLRNNR (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

    If no raise, then let them keep the promotion.

    Love the promotions where it is only a promotion in responsibility but not monetary compensation for the extra responsibility.

    Yep, there was a raise 🙂 The senior guy at our place is leaving and they're not replacing him so it was essentially an exercise in jumping through hoops to make sure I got some extra money. I will be able to call myself 'Senior Business Intelligence Analyst' though.

    Many congrats Mr Club

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  • BWFC (9/24/2015)


    SQLRNNR (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

    If no raise, then let them keep the promotion.

    Love the promotions where it is only a promotion in responsibility but not monetary compensation for the extra responsibility.

    Yep, there was a raise 🙂 The senior guy at our place is leaving and they're not replacing him so it was essentially an exercise in jumping through hoops to make sure I got some extra money. I will be able to call myself 'Senior Business Intelligence Analyst' though.

    Congratulations. It's always nice when money comes with the promotion, which is as it should be.

  • Grant Fritchey (9/23/2015)


    Went back to the train wreck... uh, I mean Jet discussion.

    I just keep hearing "MongoDB is web scale" over and over.

    And if anyone searches that up, fair warning, the video is NSFW.

    Last time I read anything like the train wreck story was in German lessons many many years back reading Freiherr/Baron von Münchhausen stories, suggest we from now on, in the sake of abbreviation, refer to the OP as BVM, similar to our SP (Silver sPoon, obviously no one wants to use SS for any abbreviation online these days).

    😎

  • Ed Wagner (9/24/2015)


    BWFC (9/24/2015)


    SQLRNNR (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    BWFC (9/23/2015)


    Promotion today :w00t: Yay me!!!!

    Congrats. With a raise?

    If no raise, then let them keep the promotion.

    Love the promotions where it is only a promotion in responsibility but not monetary compensation for the extra responsibility.

    Yep, there was a raise 🙂 The senior guy at our place is leaving and they're not replacing him so it was essentially an exercise in jumping through hoops to make sure I got some extra money. I will be able to call myself 'Senior Business Intelligence Analyst' though.

    Congratulations. It's always nice when money comes with the promotion, which is as it should be.

    Congratulations!



    Alvin Ramard
    Memphis PASS Chapter[/url]

    All my SSC forum answers come with a money back guarantee. If you didn't like the answer then I'll gladly refund what you paid for it.

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  • Matt Miller (#4) (9/23/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/23/2015)


    I assume you are talking about the Jet thread. Do you think any of us have gotten out line?

    Well, since I'm about 2 days out of touch and 40 posts, I can't say for sure. I don't think I've seen anything in there, but I sense frustration with some of you, including you, Lynn, which is the time to stop posting.

    I'd hope you can rationally and calmly ask for something. There is some legitimate debate in what the OP noted, though he/she continues to change directions and use new examples instead of being able to explain themselves. I sense some struggle with English in there as well.

    I haven't caught up, but I'd prefer to see someone actually debate the census example, give some idea of costs of building this. Look at how many people have Perl or ODBC programming skills. I think that might explain some of the rational for choosing, or not choosing the method.

    Certainly if you have time and skill, but no money, creating solutions can be found. I've seen companies do well on Acess/MDB up to a point.

    Steve, the OP made is clear. There is NO cost to implementing this.

    I'm guessing at least a few of us don't agree.

    There are also some fairly clear false statements in what he claims to be able to do with it, and none of valid points being advanced hold any weight whatsoever. After 3 or 4 posts early on in there, it felt more like banter or fish stories from OP than a true debate. If he is really building this out in a real professional setting, this borders on prof misconduct in my book, so I bowed out. no backup, no DR, security is a fantasy, and zero concurrency to speak of.

    If or rather when that gem blows up, the customer/user he built this for will be SOL with a lot of data up in smoke.

    In one of his responses, he says something about a bank. OMG!!!! That's scary!!!!



    Alvin Ramard
    Memphis PASS Chapter[/url]

    All my SSC forum answers come with a money back guarantee. If you didn't like the answer then I'll gladly refund what you paid for it.

    For best practices on asking questions, please read the following article: Forum Etiquette: How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help[/url]

  • Alvin Ramard (9/24/2015)


    Matt Miller (#4) (9/23/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/23/2015)


    I assume you are talking about the Jet thread. Do you think any of us have gotten out line?

    Well, since I'm about 2 days out of touch and 40 posts, I can't say for sure. I don't think I've seen anything in there, but I sense frustration with some of you, including you, Lynn, which is the time to stop posting.

    I'd hope you can rationally and calmly ask for something. There is some legitimate debate in what the OP noted, though he/she continues to change directions and use new examples instead of being able to explain themselves. I sense some struggle with English in there as well.

    I haven't caught up, but I'd prefer to see someone actually debate the census example, give some idea of costs of building this. Look at how many people have Perl or ODBC programming skills. I think that might explain some of the rational for choosing, or not choosing the method.

    Certainly if you have time and skill, but no money, creating solutions can be found. I've seen companies do well on Acess/MDB up to a point.

    Steve, the OP made is clear. There is NO cost to implementing this.

    I'm guessing at least a few of us don't agree.

    There are also some fairly clear false statements in what he claims to be able to do with it, and none of valid points being advanced hold any weight whatsoever. After 3 or 4 posts early on in there, it felt more like banter or fish stories from OP than a true debate. If he is really building this out in a real professional setting, this borders on prof misconduct in my book, so I bowed out. no backup, no DR, security is a fantasy, and zero concurrency to speak of.

    If or rather when that gem blows up, the customer/user he built this for will be SOL with a lot of data up in smoke.

    In one of his responses, he says something about a bank. OMG!!!! That's scary!!!!

    Not as bad as what he said about me, and I am not talking about the "she" comment.

  • Lynn Pettis (9/24/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/24/2015)


    Matt Miller (#4) (9/23/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/23/2015)


    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/23/2015)


    I assume you are talking about the Jet thread. Do you think any of us have gotten out line?

    Well, since I'm about 2 days out of touch and 40 posts, I can't say for sure. I don't think I've seen anything in there, but I sense frustration with some of you, including you, Lynn, which is the time to stop posting.

    I'd hope you can rationally and calmly ask for something. There is some legitimate debate in what the OP noted, though he/she continues to change directions and use new examples instead of being able to explain themselves. I sense some struggle with English in there as well.

    I haven't caught up, but I'd prefer to see someone actually debate the census example, give some idea of costs of building this. Look at how many people have Perl or ODBC programming skills. I think that might explain some of the rational for choosing, or not choosing the method.

    Certainly if you have time and skill, but no money, creating solutions can be found. I've seen companies do well on Acess/MDB up to a point.

    Steve, the OP made is clear. There is NO cost to implementing this.

    I'm guessing at least a few of us don't agree.

    There are also some fairly clear false statements in what he claims to be able to do with it, and none of valid points being advanced hold any weight whatsoever. After 3 or 4 posts early on in there, it felt more like banter or fish stories from OP than a true debate. If he is really building this out in a real professional setting, this borders on prof misconduct in my book, so I bowed out. no backup, no DR, security is a fantasy, and zero concurrency to speak of.

    If or rather when that gem blows up, the customer/user he built this for will be SOL with a lot of data up in smoke.

    In one of his responses, he says something about a bank. OMG!!!! That's scary!!!!

    Not as bad as what he said about me, and I am not talking about the "she" comment.

    I tend to agree. That one was a bit over the top. But then I think "TROLL"

    Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
    _______________________________________________
    I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
    SQL RNNR
    Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
    Learn Extended Events

  • Thanks for the congratulations everybody. I think the scariest thing about how far I've come in the last two and half years is realising how far I've got to go :ermm:

    I don't think I'm going to look too far in to Jet though.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    —Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

    How to post a question to get the most help http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537

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