Are the posted questions getting worse?

  • J Livingston SQL (9/10/2015)


    Grant Fritchey (9/10/2015)


    Pretty sure this is just a troll. A JET powered troll. Making up your own terms... <sigh>

    is this the guy?

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/msjetdatabasedba

    Actually, yeah. Wild.

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  • I had to google JET, never heard of it.

  • BL0B_EATER (9/11/2015)


    I had to google JET, never heard of it.

    Somewhere in Oxfordshire innit?

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  • Does anybody know if SQL Relay Huddersfield is still going ahead? I had an email this morning and it wasn't listed as one of the venues. It's still on the website though.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    β€”Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

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  • Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    It isn't that the questions are getting worse, I really think it is that the people working against the databases really have no business working without an on-site mentor that can guide them on the path to SQL enlightenment.

    Weak is the force in many padawans. 😎

    Some just don't understand their own data or what they are really trying to accomplish. Weak is the force? Seems almost non-existent.

    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

    Agree. Too many don't have 2 clues. The employers can be blamed for some of it. Too many are not willing to pay a fair price for knowledgeable workers. In other cases, people get hired by people who have no idea how to assess a candidates knowledge and skills before hiring and some candidates seem to be good at exploiting that.

    Had to tell a former manager once to stop automatically hiring the person who had best interview. Sometimes the best person interviewed is still not good enough.

    The employers don't want to pay for a knowledgeable employee and don't have anyone qualified to do an honest assessment of a candidate. While they could hire someone to do their technical interviews for them, that also takes money they don't want to spend. Since they don't have a Jedi to guide the padawans, the padawans don't ever get to grow unless they learn on their own.

    On the other side of the coin, it seems like many padawans don't want to grow. Why should they spend any time learning something new when they're being paid for not knowing anything? I heard a story on the radio the other day about a recent study that found many millennials don't want a boss telling them what to. Since they're obviously qualified and smart enough to do anything they put their minds to, they'd rather work "with" someone instead of "for" someone. It seems like the attitude just isn't there for learning. The Silver Spoon mentality comes to mind. It's so counter-intuitive that I had a hard time understanding the whole premise.

  • So, as some of you (or many) may know, I'm currently a contract worker...

    Well, in just about a week, that all changes. Last week I put in my two weeks notice, making the 18th my last day (when I'll be on a PTO day and out-of-town anyways,) and then on the 21st I come right back in and park my rear-end in the same chair it's been in for the last two years doing the same things as a permanent(ish) employee...

    πŸ˜€

    Pay gets a bump (always a good thing), get in on those sweet, sweet, employee perks (work 9hr days and take a day off every other week sort of things,) and a lot less stress about what was going to happen when the contract came up...

    OTOH, though, being the personality I am, I'm a little stressed about the switch-over...

    Can't help that part.

    Of course, being the personality that I am, I'm also still chugging along like nothing's changing, doing my work...

    😎

  • Geez, Jet guy just sounds like he was itching for a fight...

    It almost sounds like he started from "I've managed to use a big dev hammer to make this method work," and went to "thus there is no reason anyone should ever have to use the paid solution that also works."

    OK, wonderful, you've managed to use JET to handle a rather large "database," that doesn't mean there's no reason / point to using SQL Server. As Grant (or Lynn? Maybe Steve) pointed out, what about HA / DR? What's the performance like? Saying he's got "500 concurrent connections" does not equate to performance, as was pointed out...

    Ah well...

  • jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    So, as some of you (or many) may know, I'm currently a contract worker...

    Well, in just about a week, that all changes. Last week I put in my two weeks notice, making the 18th my last day (when I'll be on a PTO day and out-of-town anyways,) and then on the 21st I come right back in and park my rear-end in the same chair it's been in for the last two years doing the same things as a permanent(ish) employee...

    πŸ˜€

    Pay gets a bump (always a good thing), get in on those sweet, sweet, employee perks (work 9hr days and take a day off every other week sort of things,) and a lot less stress about what was going to happen when the contract came up...

    OTOH, though, being the personality I am, I'm a little stressed about the switch-over...

    Can't help that part.

    Of course, being the personality that I am, I'm also still chugging along like nothing's changing, doing my work...

    😎

    Congrats! And the fact that your pay is getting a bump when going from contract to full time? BONUS.

    I've only ever seen it go down. But that is because contractors get paid higher cash and don't get benefits (like PTO) and FTEs get benefits that balance out the drop in pay.

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  • Ed Wagner (9/11/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    It isn't that the questions are getting worse, I really think it is that the people working against the databases really have no business working without an on-site mentor that can guide them on the path to SQL enlightenment.

    Weak is the force in many padawans. 😎

    Some just don't understand their own data or what they are really trying to accomplish. Weak is the force? Seems almost non-existent.

    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

    Agree. Too many don't have 2 clues. The employers can be blamed for some of it. Too many are not willing to pay a fair price for knowledgeable workers. In other cases, people get hired by people who have no idea how to assess a candidates knowledge and skills before hiring and some candidates seem to be good at exploiting that.

    Had to tell a former manager once to stop automatically hiring the person who had best interview. Sometimes the best person interviewed is still not good enough.

    The employers don't want to pay for a knowledgeable employee and don't have anyone qualified to do an honest assessment of a candidate. While they could hire someone to do their technical interviews for them, that also takes money they don't want to spend. Since they don't have a Jedi to guide the padawans, the padawans don't ever get to grow unless they learn on their own.

    On the other side of the coin, it seems like many padawans don't want to grow. Why should they spend any time learning something new when they're being paid for not knowing anything? I heard a story on the radio the other day about a recent study that found many millennials don't want a boss telling them what to. Since they're obviously qualified and smart enough to do anything they put their minds to, they'd rather work "with" someone instead of "for" someone. It seems like the attitude just isn't there for learning. The Silver Spoon mentality comes to mind. It's so counter-intuitive that I had a hard time understanding the whole premise.

    I am a "padawan" but I refuse not to learn, that means self funding all my SQL training courses. Yes its financially hard but I am really satisfied when I learn something and I am convinced that I am doing the right thing - people laugh when I tell them I want to be like Gail / Grant / Paul etc. ( Hey, don't knock me for aiming high :0)

  • Brandie Tarvin (9/11/2015)


    jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    So, as some of you (or many) may know, I'm currently a contract worker...

    Well, in just about a week, that all changes. Last week I put in my two weeks notice, making the 18th my last day (when I'll be on a PTO day and out-of-town anyways,) and then on the 21st I come right back in and park my rear-end in the same chair it's been in for the last two years doing the same things as a permanent(ish) employee...

    πŸ˜€

    Pay gets a bump (always a good thing), get in on those sweet, sweet, employee perks (work 9hr days and take a day off every other week sort of things,) and a lot less stress about what was going to happen when the contract came up...

    OTOH, though, being the personality I am, I'm a little stressed about the switch-over...

    Can't help that part.

    Of course, being the personality that I am, I'm also still chugging along like nothing's changing, doing my work...

    😎

    Congrats! And the fact that your pay is getting a bump when going from contract to full time? BONUS.

    I've only ever seen it go down. But that is because contractors get paid higher cash and don't get benefits (like PTO) and FTEs get benefits that balance out the drop in pay.

    Other than the worries about when the contract came up, it wasn't too bad as a contractor. We do get PTO, so vacations were always a possibility.

    One thing I heard is that potentially, as I'm coming in towards the top of the pay scale, is that I may be put "on hold" for the yearly pay increases for a couple years, and just get cost-of-living bumps. That I can live with...

    Where do I work that gives yearly pay increases?

    A hive of scum and villany...

    Government...

    :hehe:

  • BL0B_EATER (9/11/2015)


    Ed Wagner (9/11/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    Alvin Ramard (9/10/2015)


    Lynn Pettis (9/10/2015)


    It isn't that the questions are getting worse, I really think it is that the people working against the databases really have no business working without an on-site mentor that can guide them on the path to SQL enlightenment.

    Weak is the force in many padawans. 😎

    Some just don't understand their own data or what they are really trying to accomplish. Weak is the force? Seems almost non-existent.

    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

    Agree. Too many don't have 2 clues. The employers can be blamed for some of it. Too many are not willing to pay a fair price for knowledgeable workers. In other cases, people get hired by people who have no idea how to assess a candidates knowledge and skills before hiring and some candidates seem to be good at exploiting that.

    Had to tell a former manager once to stop automatically hiring the person who had best interview. Sometimes the best person interviewed is still not good enough.

    The employers don't want to pay for a knowledgeable employee and don't have anyone qualified to do an honest assessment of a candidate. While they could hire someone to do their technical interviews for them, that also takes money they don't want to spend. Since they don't have a Jedi to guide the padawans, the padawans don't ever get to grow unless they learn on their own.

    On the other side of the coin, it seems like many padawans don't want to grow. Why should they spend any time learning something new when they're being paid for not knowing anything? I heard a story on the radio the other day about a recent study that found many millennials don't want a boss telling them what to. Since they're obviously qualified and smart enough to do anything they put their minds to, they'd rather work "with" someone instead of "for" someone. It seems like the attitude just isn't there for learning. The Silver Spoon mentality comes to mind. It's so counter-intuitive that I had a hard time understanding the whole premise.

    I am a "padawan" but I refuse not to learn, that means self funding all my SQL training courses. Yes its financially hard but I am really satisfied when I learn something and I am convinced that I am doing the right thing - people laugh when I tell them I want to be like Gail / Grant / Paul etc. ( Hey, don't knock me for aiming high :0)

    I'm in the same boat although I'm fortunate enough that the company will fund some training and any exams that I'd want to take. There's no excuse for not wanting to learn at least something new. Admittedly there's always going to be things I'm more keen on than others. I'm a BI guy so I perhaps don't need to know about the inner workings of SQL server in any great depth but I should make sure that I know as much as I can about SSIS, SSAS and SSRS because they're tools I use every day. It will never hurt me to know about the other facets though.


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    β€”Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

    How to post a question to get the most help http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537

  • jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    Brandie Tarvin (9/11/2015)


    jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    So, as some of you (or many) may know, I'm currently a contract worker...

    Well, in just about a week, that all changes. Last week I put in my two weeks notice, making the 18th my last day (when I'll be on a PTO day and out-of-town anyways,) and then on the 21st I come right back in and park my rear-end in the same chair it's been in for the last two years doing the same things as a permanent(ish) employee...

    πŸ˜€

    Pay gets a bump (always a good thing), get in on those sweet, sweet, employee perks (work 9hr days and take a day off every other week sort of things,) and a lot less stress about what was going to happen when the contract came up...

    OTOH, though, being the personality I am, I'm a little stressed about the switch-over...

    Can't help that part.

    Of course, being the personality that I am, I'm also still chugging along like nothing's changing, doing my work...

    😎

    Congrats! And the fact that your pay is getting a bump when going from contract to full time? BONUS.

    I've only ever seen it go down. But that is because contractors get paid higher cash and don't get benefits (like PTO) and FTEs get benefits that balance out the drop in pay.

    Other than the worries about when the contract came up, it wasn't too bad as a contractor. We do get PTO, so vacations were always a possibility.

    One thing I heard is that potentially, as I'm coming in towards the top of the pay scale, is that I may be put "on hold" for the yearly pay increases for a couple years, and just get cost-of-living bumps. That I can live with...

    Where do I work that gives yearly pay increases?

    A hive of scum and villany...

    Government...

    :hehe:

    Congratulations, Jason. I'll bet you'll sleep better at night knowing you're an FTE instead of being subject to the whim of Congress and their committees. I have a friend who works for the VA and, while the pay-by-grade stinks at first, it works out well for the employee over the years.

    Well done, sir. You must have been doing something right for the government to hire you direct instead of keeping you in a contract. Now, go celebrate this weekend.

  • BWFC (9/11/2015)


    Does anybody know if SQL Relay Huddersfield is still going ahead? I had an email this morning and it wasn't listed as one of the venues. It's still on the website though.

    Never mind, I've just had the email telling me it's been cancelled. πŸ™


    On two occasions I have been asked, "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
    β€”Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher

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  • Hopefully SQL Relay Bristol and Cardiff are on. Grant and I have been wrestling to get travel booked for those two.

  • Ed Wagner (9/11/2015)


    jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    Brandie Tarvin (9/11/2015)


    jasona.work (9/11/2015)


    So, as some of you (or many) may know, I'm currently a contract worker...

    Well, in just about a week, that all changes. Last week I put in my two weeks notice, making the 18th my last day (when I'll be on a PTO day and out-of-town anyways,) and then on the 21st I come right back in and park my rear-end in the same chair it's been in for the last two years doing the same things as a permanent(ish) employee...

    πŸ˜€

    Pay gets a bump (always a good thing), get in on those sweet, sweet, employee perks (work 9hr days and take a day off every other week sort of things,) and a lot less stress about what was going to happen when the contract came up...

    OTOH, though, being the personality I am, I'm a little stressed about the switch-over...

    Can't help that part.

    Of course, being the personality that I am, I'm also still chugging along like nothing's changing, doing my work...

    😎

    Congrats! And the fact that your pay is getting a bump when going from contract to full time? BONUS.

    I've only ever seen it go down. But that is because contractors get paid higher cash and don't get benefits (like PTO) and FTEs get benefits that balance out the drop in pay.

    Other than the worries about when the contract came up, it wasn't too bad as a contractor. We do get PTO, so vacations were always a possibility.

    One thing I heard is that potentially, as I'm coming in towards the top of the pay scale, is that I may be put "on hold" for the yearly pay increases for a couple years, and just get cost-of-living bumps. That I can live with...

    Where do I work that gives yearly pay increases?

    A hive of scum and villany...

    Government...

    :hehe:

    Congratulations, Jason. I'll bet you'll sleep better at night knowing you're an FTE instead of being subject to the whim of Congress and their committees. I have a friend who works for the VA and, while the pay-by-grade stinks at first, it works out well for the employee over the years.

    Well done, sir. You must have been doing something right for the government to hire you direct instead of keeping you in a contract. Now, go celebrate this weekend.

    I don't remember voting for Jason, what party ballot did you run under?

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