May 22, 2015 at 9:31 am
Gazareth (5/22/2015)
Jack Corbett (5/22/2015)
We do have white noise generatorsHuh?
Do we have them in any other colors? 😎
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May 22, 2015 at 9:34 am
Alvin Ramard (5/22/2015)
Gazareth (5/22/2015)
Jack Corbett (5/22/2015)
We do have white noise generatorsHuh?
Do we have them in any other colors? 😎
You laugh, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise
Gail Shaw
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May 22, 2015 at 9:35 am
Jack Corbett (5/22/2015)
Question, how many of you work in an open work space? If you do, what are your thoughts?
Used to, like it in some ways, not in others. Mostly wore headphones and did my own things. It was nice for ad hoc discussions and the environment felt open and airy. Probably distracted some people more than necessary and slowed down their work. There would often be someone talking about X with another, and a third or fourth person would chime in.
On the other hand, lots of people came up with ideas that others had never thought of.
May 22, 2015 at 9:44 am
I've never known anything other than working in open spaces. my current seating position however is next to a heavily used route to a meeting room favoured by field staff when they come to head office, so frequently i have a seemingly endless hoard of rowdy types chatting, laughing and stomping past me.
The temperature is also a contentious issue in an open environment, some people are too hot, some too cold! if you had your own space i'm sure it would be better to get it how you like it!
On the whole though it's good, and keeps me in touch with everything that is going on.
May 22, 2015 at 9:54 am
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarism
I understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
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May 22, 2015 at 10:09 am
GilaMonster (5/22/2015)
Alvin Ramard (5/22/2015)
Gazareth (5/22/2015)
Jack Corbett (5/22/2015)
We do have white noise generatorsHuh?
Do we have them in any other colors? 😎
You laugh, but...
I had forgotten about it, but I had heard about pink before.
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May 22, 2015 at 10:16 am
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
In the incidents you refer to, was the original author of the work credited in any way?
If you have taken the time to create a piece of work, any work, then you deserve the credit for that work, and the rights to it. I don't know about legality of such matters, but common courtesy dictates that if you want to use someone elses hard work to educate others or illustrate a point, you must seek permission from the original author, and credit that author if and when you present the work to others.
I couldn't bring myself to pass someone elses work off as my own, unfortunately, evidently, not everyone feels the same!
May 22, 2015 at 10:16 am
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
Guess I'm a stupid 'Merican too because I definitely have a problem with someone lifting an entire presentation and submitting it, even if they do give attribution. I have used bits and pieces of other people's presentations for in-house sessions, but with proper attribution.
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May 22, 2015 at 10:29 am
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
I tend to think of in terms of writing a college paper... Get caught plagiarizing there, and it's grounds for immediate expulsion and the end of your academic career.
If you quote another author, make sure the audience knows it's quoted material and cite the author & work that the quote was taken from. If the idea is an amalgamation or simple rephrasing of one or more authors, let that be known as well, and again, cite the author(s) and the works that went into the idea.
If you're going to claim something as a completely original idea... Make damn sure no one can prove the contrary...
Just my 2 cents...
May 22, 2015 at 10:29 am
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
If you ask me to use my presentation - that's one thing. But I still would prefer that you take that and make it your own. Your style is not my style and my deck would be of little use to you.
Attribution - great. I have attended presos where the presenter used my script with no attribution and it was kind of annoying. But not nearly as bad as the one where the used the entire deck - not cool.
As my co-presenter (Wayne) has found out, I have started putting goofy things in the deck (slide injection). If they don't pay particular attention - then they may be in for a surprise.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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May 22, 2015 at 10:36 am
Jason A. Long (5/22/2015)
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
I tend to think of in terms of writing a college paper... Get caught plagiarizing there, and it's grounds for immediate expulsion and the end of your academic career.
If you quote another author, make sure the audience knows it's quoted material and cite the author & work that the quote was taken from. If the idea is an amalgamation or simple rephrasing of one or more authors, let that be known as well, and again, cite the author(s) and the works that went into the idea.
If you're going to claim something as a completely original idea... Make damn sure no one can prove the contrary...
Just my 2 cents...
Just a further note on quoting another's work. This is good up to the point where the entire work is quoted. Even with attribution, you just can't take and cite that much from another person. If 20% of your presentation ( article, book, etc) is cited from somebody else, then you are plagiarizing their work still. You have to get approval from the person to use that much material.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
Learn Extended Events
May 22, 2015 at 11:20 am
cunningham (5/22/2015)
The temperature is also a contentious issue in an open environment, some people are too hot, some too cold! if you had your own space i'm sure it would be better to get it how you like it!On the whole though it's good, and keeps me in touch with everything that is going on.
Perhaps, but often in offices I've had, I can't control the temperature. Easy to add heat. Hard to cool.
May 22, 2015 at 11:27 am
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
This is totally intolerable and the party in question just earned it self the status of "Persona non Grata" in my books, irrevocable!
😎
May 22, 2015 at 11:42 am
Lifting a presentation, even if you were to redo slides with new pictures or some words, would be improper in my opinion. You don't get to use the slides, the code, the title without permission. I would send a note to the SQL Saturday people, and have them issue a rebuke to the individual.
Asking to use it or redeliver is fine with me. However I've seen some people get upset at others asking, or delivering another's talk when given permission.
May 22, 2015 at 11:49 am
SQLRNNR (5/22/2015)
Jason A. Long (5/22/2015)
Grant Fritchey (5/22/2015)
Question for the crew since this is a fairly international audience, plagiarismI understand that some cultures look at it very differently than most Western European-based ones do. There's the whole "I'm showing respect by not altering your words" thing, that I actually understand. BUT, does that mean that you're showing respect by lifting the entire work? You like my script for querying the XML in a query plan so you use it in a presentation. I get it. Attribution would be nice, but not the end of the world. You like my presentation on execution plans so you copy the entire thing and start submitting it to SQL Saturday events, SQLBits, whatever, I'm not really down with that. I have a hard time believing that any culture would be. Am I wrong? Educate the stupid 'Merican please.
I'm bringing this up because I'm aware of two different incidents recently from two different countries, one decidedly Western-oriented, the other mostly so, where people have just been lifting entire presentations and abstracts and submitting them to events without permission or even informing the owner of the material. That just smacks of a clear wrong that no one should need to be told. But, maybe I'm just ignorant.
I tend to think of in terms of writing a college paper... Get caught plagiarizing there, and it's grounds for immediate expulsion and the end of your academic career.
If you quote another author, make sure the audience knows it's quoted material and cite the author & work that the quote was taken from. If the idea is an amalgamation or simple rephrasing of one or more authors, let that be known as well, and again, cite the author(s) and the works that went into the idea.
If you're going to claim something as a completely original idea... Make damn sure no one can prove the contrary...
Just my 2 cents...
Just a further note on quoting another's work. This is good up to the point where the entire work is quoted. Even with attribution, you just can't take and cite that much from another person. If 20% of your presentation ( article, book, etc) is cited from somebody else, then you are plagiarizing their work still. You have to get approval from the person to use that much material.
I agree 100%... Guess I just can't imagine swiping another persons work and trying to pass it off as my own, in an unaltered state... or even a "just alter enough" state.
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